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Old 09-25-2004, 05:11 PM
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I found a NIB Winchester Big Bore 94 chambered in .375 Winchester and just had to have it. Since it is the older top eject model, mounting a traditional scope is out of the question. I considered a scout scope but that setup detracts from the 94's appearence and should be illegal ( I think it is in some states).

The remaining options are the Lyman no. 2 tang sight or the receiver sight. Installation of a tang sight requires drilling a hole in the tang. The receiver is D&T from the factory and no alteration of the rifle is required to install a receiver sight.

I could have ( and should have) shortened this post by asking the question, "which receiver sight do you prefer on the top eject Big Bore '94; Lyman 66A or Williams Foolproof?".
(The Lyman cost about 10% more than the Williams, so price is not a factor.)


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Nitro,
Iwould not consider installing a tang sight on a heavy recoiling rifle. While the .375 is just toward the bottom of the heavy recoil crowd it is still not a good idea.
My .30-30 Trapper and now the 20" octagon .30-30AI I have tang sights mounted on will tap my glasses when shooting 170 grain bullets.

For a hunting gun either the Lyman or Williams will do fine. The Lyman uses a coin to make sight adjustments. The Williams requires two screw drivers. Not a problem for a hunting rifle. Some feel the Williams is better due to the flush adjustment screws.
The Lyman has a push button that allows quick removal of the slide and I consider this an advantage.
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Old 09-25-2004, 08:02 PM
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Thanks for the info. I will order the Lyman 66A tonight.

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I have a Williams on my 375 (Marlin), but I don't really disagree- the coin slot adjustments on the Lyman can be handy. BTW, the Williams has a screw that lets you release the slide- a little slower than the Lyman, but you end up at the same place.
Are you gonna reload for the 375?
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Old 09-27-2004, 07:43 AM
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I prefer the Williams FP. I have one on my 94BB, as we speak.

But back to the scope mount for a moment, why don't you just put on a Weaver side mount? If you're right-handed, it should work fine. Also, no drilling/tapping required.

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Nitro, I am waiting for a BB in 356. It is NIB. Probably made 10 years ago. It does have angle eject and can have a top mounted scope put on (I believe). My brother has a gun identical to the one you have. He worked up an excellent cast load using 2400 and a 250gr. bullet from Midway sized to .277. With that Williams FP, we were doing real damage without to much effort to the bullseye. One of the easier guns to shoot with irons I have ever seen. I am usually a Marlin man, but I have to say Winchester did right on the big bores. The only problem I saw was the trigger. Horrendous! Have you had yours worked on?
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Hello WILLIAM IORG, JACK, RSY and DR. A,

Last night I ordered a Lyman 66A receiver sight. I went that route due, in part, to Wm Iorg's recommendation and, in an effort to maintain consistancy in my Winchesters (both of them). I also have a Lyman 66WB mounted on an 1886 Winchester / USRAC / Miruko 45-70. Dr. A, like you, I am usually a Marlin man. However, when the opportunity presented itself to acquire an 1886 and a BB94, well...., sometimes we just have to sacrifice.

Jack, yes, I am going to reload for the BB94 .375 Win. I was really busy last night because after I read William Iorg's post I ordered the Lyman 66A receiver sight then started reloading. I have a set of RCBS Cowboy dies that I use to load cast bullets for a Marlin 336CB Cowboy. I use the same dies to load .375 Winchester ammo. These dies have both a .376" and a .379" expander plug and, since I use 38-55 brass to load for the .375 Win, the only other adjustment that was necessary was to readjust the bullet seating die.

I have 50 .375" 200 grain Sierra JFP, 100 .375" 220 grain Hornady JFP and 50 255 grain .377" Barnes Original JFP bullets. My powder of choice for the .375 Win is AA1680. At the Accurate Arms web site I obtained 2 loads. Max load (in .375 brass) for the 200 Sierra is 40.0 grains (2512 fps / 2805 fpe / 41,500 CUP) and for the 220 Hornady it's 38.0 grains (2372 fps / 2750 fpe / 44,800 CUP). The longer 38-55 case holds 4 more grains of powder than the shorter .375 case. In addition, the case walls are thinner than the .375's. I used Federal 210 Large Rifle primers.

Starting load for the 200 Sierra was 37 grains of AA1680, which is 3 grains below max. I loaded 3 rounds, increased the powder charge in 1 grain increments, going from 37 grains up to 43 grains, which is 3 grains over max. Since the 38-55's case volume is 4 grains (10%) more than the .375 case, I felt safe working up to 3 grains (8.2%) over book max. Loaded 21 rounds (3 each of 7 different loads) then started preparing for the Hornady bullets.

Accurate Powder's max load of AA1680, when used with the Hornady 220 grain bullet, is 38.0. I started at 35 grains then worked up to 41 grains in 1 grain increments. Here again, started 3 grains below max, then worked up to 3 grains over max. Loaded 21 rounds then called it a night.

I did not load any rounds with the Barnes 255 grain bullet because, at the time, I did not have an acceptable load. Then earlier today, while searching for .375 Win loads on this forum, one of the other members called either Accurate Powder or Barnes Bullets and obtained an official load of 35 grains of AA1680. This will yield 2150 fps / 2620 fpe. The pressure is unknown but will be between 40,000 and 45,000 CUP.

RSY, good suggestion about using a side mounted scope mount, but I think that I am going to use this BB94 with just the receiver sight and a Williams Fire Site front site.

DOC, congratulatons on the BB94 Angle Eject 356. Would you like to swap? My 375 for your 356? I have another 375. It is a Marlin with a 20" barrel, a 2/3 mag tube and no safety. I am not going to let this one get away like I did my Marlin 336ER in 356 Winchester (only 2,441 produced). What was I thinking. Does your BB94 .356 have a side safety? This BB94 .375 does not. I'll throw in a sealed bag of 250 new WW .375 brass, 50 Hornday 220 grain JFP bullets, and a brand new 3-die set of Lee reloading dies with shell holder, powder dipper, and loading instructions. All together worth $140-$150.

Gentlemen, thanks for hanging in there while I made this short story long.

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NITRO:

Hold up there, pardner!!! I just remembered something crucial to our discussion here.

Lyman does NOT make a sight for the 94 Big Bores. It just dawned on me this morning that that's why I had to go with the Williams FP on my .375. I had forgotten about that.

I apologize for that nugget of info slipping my mind. Again, the Williams Foolproof (not 5D) is the only sight for the 94BB that I know of. It's the only model that is compatible with the "shoulders" on the BB94 receiver.

I'll also send you this via e-mail.

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Hey Nitro,

Sounds so good I just wouldn't want to take advantage of you like that. Actually I just can't let this one go. Caliber is just too rare. How many did Winchester make? I know Marlin made just that 2441. I wish I had one of those. Unfortunately, many are closet queens. I have been looking for the Marlin for some time now in this caliber. Passed up on one last year for 650. Turns out I should have bought. They seem about double that now. I suppose we'd all be better off if we settled on that 358 from Browning. I already have a BLR in 30-06. Just not the same. Can't get used to the lines and the action type. Perhaps I would have been better off with the shorter action. I actually have a handle on several different Marlins in 375, so I am anxiously awaiting those. My gun has a safety and also that silly inscription on the side. 1894-1994. Probably decreases the value a little, but I am a shooter/hunter and not really a collector.
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Your right! i forgot all about that. Following Ken Waters lead we filed a small bevel on the back of our bases to clear the cheeks on the reciever.
The Williams has a slight bevel from the factory.
For the Angle Eject rifles there is no way to make the Lyman fit. you must use a Williams on them.
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RSY & SLIM,

Thanks for the update on the sights. I just called Brownells to cancel the Lyman and substitute with the Williams, but they were closed for the day. I left a message with customer support and, if the order has not shipped, don't anticipate any problems. If it is too late, I'll take a look at the Lyman and, using SLIM's suggestion, see how much metal has to be removed to clear the Big Bore's shoulder.

DOC,

I don't know how many BB94/.375's Winchester made. Thanks for not taking advantage of me (smile). The 356 is a great cartridge. I am holding on to my .356 dies, brass and bullets because soon there will be a BB94/.356 in the safe. And, like you, it will be a working gun.

The safety and the 1894-1994 inscription do not affect the value of your .356. There are no signs of the supply/demand equalizing any time soon, if ever. About 20 years ago I was smart enough to buy a NIB Marlin 336ER in .356 Winchester. However, about 10 years ago I wasn't smart enough to keep it.

I have some favorite loads that I used to use in a 336ER / .356. If you have any interest, drop me an email or PM.

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