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Old 10-25-2004, 07:27 PM
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I have just been given by a friend of mine a Winchester 94 30-30 that is a 1972 model according to the website mentioned in one of the other threads. I am wanting to restore it. It is in good shape with some wear and a slight amount of surface rust. As I have never restored a firearm, anyone have any suggestions, tips, products, etc. that would help me out. Thanks.

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Old 10-25-2004, 07:28 PM
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by the way... One particular thing I want to fix... there is some very light engraving on the side done by a previous owner. Any tips for filling / removing this? Again, it is very light (shallow).
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Old 10-26-2004, 01:36 PM
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There is a company in Fla. called Checkmate.
http://www.checkmatecustom.com
I used them for a 1906 Winchester that had zero finish on it. They reblued and did a highpolish that the darn thing looks new!

As far as the wood goes, PM me. I have sort of a hobby refinishing stocks very reasonably. You can PM the Mod. MikeG for a reference, as I'm on his third stock for him.
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by the way... One particular thing I want to fix... there is some very light engraving on the side done by a previous owner. Any tips for filling / removing this? Again, it is very light (shallow).
Refinisning isn't hard...are several good companies that do good blue. It's the "light" engraving that's the problem. Don't know of a good way to fill home-brew engraving...know there are some very hign-end shops that specialize in restoration, but it is very expensive.

Determine the depth of that engraving...and if not too great for safety's sake, then milling the flats of the reciever to flat again...and here, only top notch professional work is acceptable....perhaps having to shorten a few secrews to keep them from ending up raised.

Have seen enravings, stamped property marks, or electric pencil filled with epoxy and the reciever painted (have some good "shake and bake" products) done on Al. recievers that actaully turned out looking pretty good...but at best, paint can pass for anodized Al, it won't pass for blued steel.
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Old 10-26-2004, 03:54 PM
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Yup, Chris does a real nice job on stock refinishing.... no complaints here!!!
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Thanks for all of the tips so far... I am going to try and do as much of it myself as possible, but I will definately keep you in mind. Keep em' coming.
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By the way... Any good "do it yourself" blueing products out there?
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Old 10-26-2004, 07:23 PM
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By the way... Any good "do it yourself" blueing products out there?
Take a good look at the Brownell's site...give pretty good descriptions of what cold blues can and cannot do. Take a hard look at the slow rust blues (or just search "rust blue") to see if the minimal equipment needed is possible...the only thing really not easy to find that you'll need is something long enough to hold the barrled action in boiling water.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...ICAN+RUST+BLUE

IF you can swing it, can promise you that the rust blue will produce a blue that is really a deep dark blue (not black) and tougher than any commercial blue...if the inital prep is done well, the end results are absolutly beautiful. Actually takes little $ or equipment..but it does take about an hour a day for about a week.

AND you'll sear that someone played a practical joke on you wehn you first look at the rusted mess the first application gives you (before carding and boiling)...it's supose to look like that; it gets better after the first application.

But the truth is, if doing a true restoration, the blue job could come out too good...Winchester didn't put that kind of blue on a rifle of that age.

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Brownell's Oxpho-Blue is pretty good for cold-blue; but it's still cold blue. Did most of an old turk, but it wasn't going to look worse no matter what I did... if you really want to get a nice job, probably need to send to a pro, my two cents.
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Brownell's Oxpho-Blue is pretty good for cold-blue; but it's still cold blue. Did most of an old turk, but it wasn't going to look worse no matter what I did... if you really want to get a nice job, probably need to send to a pro, my two cents.
That is another option....have the gun bead blasted, then parkerised or guncoated. The park finish is forever, just look at ant military gun.

The guncoat finishes are nice too....I've used these guys....
http://www.mrarms.com/pricing.html

the gun, to them and back was less than 3 weeks.
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The only problem you will run into when refinishing a Post-64 Win 94, is the cast receiver. From 1964 to 1982 when USRAC took over and returned the 94s to a forged receiver, they were cast from sintered metal. (Kind of like a huge MIM part) To blue them, you first have to plate them with iron. Then blue the plating. Otherwise you will get a plum colored receiver.
DLS, another Shooters Forum member, has just such a Winchester 94. The cast receiver was polished and then blued. If you like plum colored gun parts it's OK. Definatly different.

If I had your 72 vintage, I'd acquire some very fine, 0000 steel wool, and some G96 Gun Treatment and clean it well. G96 Gun Treatment will remove surface rust and protect the steel afterwards. I use it on my loading bench tools as well as my guns.
Maybe refinish the stock, depending on the condition.
Then take it out and shoot it.

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Wow... There's a lot to know. Thanks and keep 'em coming. I am planning on starting next week. I'll try to post some pics and keep everyone posted on my progress (or lack thereof).
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here is a pic of the wood I re-did on my 1969 94....


*EDIT* the white spec on the lens is my poor photography....

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nice job!...
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Well... doesn't look as though I'm going to get started this week after all. I'll keep ya posted. (I could still use a good set of disassembly instructions though)
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Well... doesn't look as though I'm going to get started this week after all. I'll keep ya posted. (I could still use a good set of disassembly instructions though)

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Mine is a 74 shooter

Mine is a POS also, I can't believe that the people taht sent a man to the moon cant get a decent blue on **** steel. I'll post a queery on finishing,comand see what they can come up with..
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