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Old 04-06-2006, 10:07 AM
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This is my first post so bear with me.
I live In England and am wanting to know any information that someone could give me on the Model 94 Trapper this would be my first rifle. I would be using it for Deer Hunting and forms of pest control and also just for target shooting. Ive seen that the Trapper comes on different calibers, and Im wondering what would be best for my situation. I should add that Im 16, so any gun bought would be under the license of an adult, I did read an article saying that a 94 has a heavy recoil, is this true?
I would like to get it in .44 caliber, so If anyone has it in this then any information would be useful.
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Old 04-06-2006, 11:59 AM
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This is my first post so bear with me.
I live In England and am wanting to know any information that someone could give me on the Model 94 Trapper this would be my first rifle. I would be using it for Deer Hunting and forms of pest control and also just for target shooting. Ive seen that the Trapper comes on different calibers, and Im wondering what would be best for my situation. I should add that Im 16, so any gun bought would be under the license of an adult, I did read an article saying that a 94 has a heavy recoil, is this true?
I would like to get it in .44 caliber, so If anyone has it in this then any information would be useful.
Snake, First off welcome to the forum. It's been a long time since I have done any shooting in England, but the best advise I can give you is to first check with the local gun club to see what is legal for your purposes, and then make your decision on caliber. Remember that the .44 Mag is a pistol caliber, and may be hard for you to get ammunition. You might also check out www.ukpursuits.com and check with Mr Neil, I know he will be a very good source of information for the British Hunter and shooter.

Now the bad news. USRAC has discontinued the manufacture of Model 94 Winchesters, so any Trapper you get would have to be old stock or else used.

The Marlin Model 1894 or the Taurus Model 92 would be a good idea if you are set on a .44 Mag. . And Yes they have a good bit of recoil, but unless you are of a very slender build or have shoulder problems, you should be able to handle the recoil.( These rifles are available on calibers from the .32 H&R Mag through .454 Mag.)

Marlin produces the Model 336, Model .444, and the Model 1895 that use full size rifle cartridges, which might just suit your requirements. For Deer the 30-30 or the .35 Rem would be my first picks in the larger frame guns.

Lee L.

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Old 04-06-2006, 12:13 PM
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Thank you very much for that very detailed post. After realising that .44 is indeed pistol, would this be at all capable of taking down deer if bought?
Do you think that a Model 94 could be bought in brand new condition, like still sealed in box condition?
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Old 04-06-2006, 12:19 PM
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heh, .44 magnum? Plenty capable.
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Old 04-06-2006, 12:21 PM
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Thank you very much for that very detailed post. After realising that .44 is indeed pistol, would this be at all capable of taking down deer if bought?
Do you think that a Model 94 could be bought in brand new condition, like still sealed in box condition?
Snake, I have used the .357 , .41 Mag, and the .44 Mag for deer, and have found all of them quite adequate for the job as long as they are kept to 100 yards or less.

As for finding a new condition Model 94, that would depend upon your Retailers Wholesaler, or else if you can find one available through a private individual.

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Old 04-06-2006, 12:28 PM
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Thank you for that quick response. After doing some more reading, Ive decided to move away from the Trapper, and see If I can hunt down a Ranger. I really have my heart set on finding this http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodin...d=087&cat=003C
Youve made my first topic very easy, none of this shortened talk, very informative.
Thanks.
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Old 04-06-2006, 12:30 PM
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You can try www.gunbroker.com

Although I don't know if you can do business with them in England.
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Old 04-06-2006, 02:43 PM
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Thank you for that quick response. After doing some more reading, Ive decided to move away from the Trapper, and see If I can hunt down a Ranger. I really have my heart set on finding this http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodin...d=087&cat=003C
Youve made my first topic very easy, none of this shortened talk, very informative.
Thanks.
Unfortunately, you are probably several weeks late in being able to find a new Ranger unless you buy it from a private party. But, there are lots of used ones available and they're great firearms. As another person already pointed out, you may want to consider the Marlin 336 if only because they are still making them. Winchesters are bringing a premium right now that makes them pretty expensive. Good luck with your pursuit and welcome to the forum. Great bunch of people from all over the world here.
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Old 04-09-2006, 06:35 AM
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I am surprised that the several active forum members living in the UK have not joined in this discussion. The muzzle energy requirements (1700 foot pounds) for hunting throughout the UK seriously limit your choice of a lever action rifle. I do not believe most pistol caliber lever-action rifles will qualify for deer hunting in the UK. A few years ago a UK Gun Writer named Pete Moore wrote a Gun Test of the .30-30 Marlin 336 in Shooting Sports Magazine. The Marlin 336 with 20” barrel would only qualify with 125 and 170 grain bullets. The 150 grain bullet fell short of the required energy. There is reason to doubt the short barrel “Trapper’s” will make the grade with any factory ammunition and for that matter, with very few handloads.
Forum member ENGLANDER shoots a short barrel Marlin .30-30 and he has worked very hard to develop acceptable hunting ammunition for this rifle. A search of his posts from the members list will lead you to the threads.
Lever-action rifles are a lot of fun to hunt with. The restrictions of your hunting laws adds a requirement that you study the ballistic charts and reloading manuals carefully before selecting your rifle.
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Old 04-09-2006, 08:30 AM
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I am surprised that the several active forum members living in the UK have not joined in this discussion. The muzzle energy requirements (1700 foot pounds) for hunting throughout the UK seriously limit your choice of a lever action rifle. I do not believe most pistol caliber lever-action rifles will qualify for deer hunting in the UK. A few years ago a UK Gun Writer named Pete Moore wrote a Gun Test of the .30-30 Marlin 336 in Shooting Sports Magazine. The Marlin 336 with 20” barrel would only qualify with 125 and 170 grain bullets. The 150 grain bullet fell short of the required energy. There is reason to doubt the short barrel “Trapper’s” will make the grade with any factory ammunition and for that matter, with very few handloads.
Forum member ENGLANDER shoots a short barrel Marlin .30-30 and he has worked very hard to develop acceptable hunting ammunition for this rifle. A search of his posts from the members list will lead you to the threads.
Lever-action rifles are a lot of fun to hunt with. The restrictions of your hunting laws adds a requirement that you study the ballistic charts and reloading manuals carefully before selecting your rifle.
Thank you, but I dont think Im getting your post right, If Im thinking right, which I like to think I am, you are saying that the rifle isnt powerful enough to meet the hunting laws in the UK?
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Old 04-09-2006, 10:42 AM
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Thank you, but I dont think Im getting your post right, If Im thinking right, which I like to think I am, you are saying that the rifle isnt powerful enough to meet the hunting laws in the UK?
You are reading my post correctly.
The .30-30 in a 20” barrel will meet the 1700 ft lb rule. With the 16” barrel you will find it very difficult to meet this energy requirement.
I have chronographed a lot of .30-30 ammo in barrels 16, 20 and 26” long. The 16” barrel will not make the cut with reasonable loads. I like the cartridge but your rule is pretty hard on the 16” barrel.

ENGLANDER has been working on this problem for quite some time and has some good thoughts on how to meet the energy requirements. It appears the real solution is by handloading the 130 grain bullet using V.V. powders, even then you must work for it.
No handgun cartridge chambered for the Model 94 with 16" barrel that I am aware of will meet the energy requirement.
You laws pretty much limit you to the 20" barrels unless you go with the .30-30AI or one of the Big Bore rifles.
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