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Old 05-30-2009, 07:37 PM
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30 W.C.F. vs 30-30


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I have a Winchester Model 94, vintage 1951.

I've aways thought this was a 30-30, but just noticed the barrel marking says .30 W.C.F.

I've certainly fired 30-30 rounds through it.

Is the .30 W.C.F. (Winchester Center Fire) the same as 30-30. or am I using this with the wrong ammunition?

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Old 05-30-2009, 08:27 PM
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.30 WCF is the original name. Apparently it was renamed by other gun makers when they started chambering it. Sort of like Chevy not wanting anyone knowing that they're using Ford parts.

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Old 05-30-2009, 08:35 PM
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ON the money..exactly right....btw...1951 era 94s are nice
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Old 05-31-2009, 08:57 AM
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Marlin started the 30-30 name as they didn't want to put a competors brand name on there rifles!
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:53 AM
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Thanks for the information, fellows!

This rifle was my fathers. He may have bought it new a couple of years before I was born. I carried it hunting deer years ago, but never actually shot anything with it. Every season he would get his animal first, we'd trade rifles, and I'd get mine with his scoped .308.

I'm thinking of bringing the Model 94 out of retirement for shooting metallic silhouettes, even though other shooters say 200 yards is awfully far for a 30-30. I'll have to do something about the heavy trigger, though.
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I'm thinking of bringing the Model 94 out of retirement for shooting metallic silhouettes, even though other shooters say 200 yards is awfully far for a 30-30. I'll have to do something about the heavy trigger, though.
I don't see 200 yard silhouttes as being un reasonable. Many 200 yard black powder matches were won with the old 32-40, and it does not have the power of the 30-30.
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Old 05-31-2009, 04:44 PM
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M1894 -

The rams are pretty heavy, but I too would think a 30-30 would knock them over. Maybe once in a while I'll have a hit that doesn't quite do the job; that would be disappointing but hardly the end of the world.

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200 yard shots are nothing for a model 94 30-30. I own a vintage pre-1900 Model 94 and it is amazingly accurate at long range. A good shooter can easily hit a soccerball sized target at 300 yards. I know because I have done it.
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We shoot steel plates 16 inches square with a 32-20 at 400 yards and a larger 20 X 32 inch plate at 500 yards. The 30-30 will hammer the larger plate at 600 and 800 yards. We shoot with iron sights using cross sticks.

You will need to tell someone else that a 30-30 will not shoot 200 yards, I know better.
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:52 PM
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I thought that Winchester stopped using the 30WCF moniker around 1947.
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:02 AM
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Tigger pull--
Lower your finger on the tigger. Squeeze as closely to the end of the trigger as you can. Helps on some of my '94's.
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:16 AM
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I have a 1897 vintage 1894 Winchester in .30 WCF that I have used for lever action silhouette. My load was :

Case: Winchester .30-30
Primer: CCI-Br2
Bullet: Oregon Trail 170 gr .309" flat point gas check
Powder: 26 grains of IMR-4895

This load is only about 1765 ft/sec but it will take the rams down.

It has a 26" octagon barrel, full length magazine tube, crescent butt plate. It has 3 leaf folding express sight on the barrel. In about 85% condition. The action is as tight as the day it left the factory. It has shot the above load into a 3 shot group at 100 yards that measured 1/2" center to center. I love this rifle.

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Old 02-22-2012, 12:31 PM
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I have a 1897 vintage 1894 Winchester in .30 WCF that I have used for lever action silhouette. It has shot the above load into a 3 shot group at 100 yards that measured 1/2" center to center. I love this rifle.Sincerely, Dave (Bubba) Thornblom
I can certainly see why you love that rifle. Any gun and shooter that posts .500" groups @ 100 with iron sights is world class!
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:50 PM
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Those WCF rifles are just no good. I suggest you just send it to me and I will properly dispose of it for you... (HeeHee.)

Wow, lucky man. 1951 era are beautiful and it sounds like a real shooter!
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:58 PM
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Dang! Thornblom, none of my old octagons shoot that well--or maybe it's me who doesn't. Hmmmm.

Nothing better than an ancient '94 octagon and the scent of gunpowder in the air. (Unless it's a '73 and the scent.)
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I was really surprized when I shot that group. I wasn't watching how I was doing through the spotting scope, I just shot 3 rounds and the took a look. There it was, half inch. I started to shoot 2 more rounds into that group to make it a standard 5 round group, but nope, couldn't do it. The 3 shot group was just too purdy. And with cast/gc bullets to boot. That load has become my go to load for lever action rifle cartridge silhouette. Every once in a while it might leave a ram standing after a good hit, but usually not.

It has been my experience that octagon barrel 94 made before say 1930 that are in good shape just shoot better than most other 94's.

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Old 02-26-2012, 11:09 PM
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cheap quicky trigger job

Unload gun(duh). Cock it, press hard on hammer, while pressing pull the trigger. Repeat this several times. This burnishes the contact surfaces.
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:54 AM
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Mine is a 1951 I think, 1809xxx and its marked 30-30
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Yeah, I'm almost positive that Winchester stopped using the 30WCF designation in the 40's. At least within a couple of years of the end of the war (my understanding was that 1947 was the first year they started stamping 30-30). I mentioned that in an earlier reply but got no confirmation or reply to that.

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Mine is 1949-1950 1658xxx and marked .30 WCF.
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