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Old 06-25-2010, 04:49 PM
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hello my name is matt i have a winchester model 94 ae in 45 colt i was wondering if i could bore it out to 454 casull i allready shoot minimum 454 charge(h110,lil gun) in my 45 colt hot loads thanks for your time and any replies
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Old 06-25-2010, 05:51 PM
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Some years ago both the Marlin 336 and the Winchester Model 94AE were tested with the 454 cartridge. Neither rifle lasted more than a few rounds with this high pressure cartridge. This was discussed in depth on the Leverguns.com forum.
As you have seen, you can load the Colt hot enough to get your attention with the Model 94. Are you loading cast or jacketed bullets?
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Old 06-26-2010, 08:49 AM
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Matt, If you already load the 45colt hot your already near the max recommended pressures of a 94 action. Personally I wouldn't do what your talking about because of safety reasons and it may not feed right, plus it wouldn't help the value of your 94. Besides the 454 is only a tenth of a inch longer, you can get that much case capacity out of seating your bullet out farther for a longer OAL. Dave
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Old 06-26-2010, 08:55 AM
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thanks for your replies they said what i thought they would i load mostly cast gas checked cast bullets for heavy ones i use the lyman 325 mold but my alloy droppes them at 340 after gc and lube i shoot some jacked but mostly my home cast
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Old 06-26-2010, 09:00 AM
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Matt, check out this article, its a good read http://leverguns.com/articles/paco/45coltlevergun.htm
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Old 06-27-2010, 01:34 PM
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If you want to shoot .454 Casull in a Win-type lever action, you need an 1892-type action. Legacy sells 'em.
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Two words ----> KA-BOOM !!

Remember the 454Casull works at 65K. And lots of case head thrust. ---pruhdlr
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If you want to shoot .454 Casull in a Win-type lever action, you need an 1892-type action. Legacy sells 'em.
I have read this too but according to winchester the single locking block action was stronger than the dual block action of the 92's.
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In the 454 test . It wasn't the bolt that failed . The frame actually started to stretch and would no longer cycle. Specialy on the angle ejects with the loading gate and lowered frame for ejection. It doesn't leave much metal on that side of the receiver to hold the bolt forward. Matt I would stick with hot Ruger loads. Some people use RL7 or H4198 in 45 colt rifles. The 94 in 45 colt won't be cheap to replace
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I have read this too but according to winchester the single locking block action was stronger than the dual block action of the 92's.
Even the Marlin 336/1895 action won't take 65kpsi. In fact, my recollection (which might very well be wrong) is that the Legacy/etc. .454 Casull 92 clones often shoot themselves loose. I have to say, though - why try to make a +P+ .45-70 Kurz??? The 1895GG and its variations are pretty light and compact, and the recoil of a full-pressure .454C load in a 6-something pound carbine would not be my idea of recreation!
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