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Old 06-06-2016, 04:15 PM
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.416 Rigby Solids for Grizzly?


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I had big plans a little over a year ago to move the family to Botswana, Africa and start a horseback safari business with a contact I have there. Life happened, as it so often does, and those plans fell through. I had already sold the .45/70 I carried for so many years in Alaska and bought a Ruger 77 RSM in .416 Rigby for the move. I liked the .416 so much I went ahead and kept it, and now I positively love it. I finally did get a good job and move, to a little village in NW Alaska, about 100 miles above the arctic circle. The area is full of huge moose and grizzly. My question is, I had got a smoking deal on several boxes of very expensive .416 Rigby ammo, some Winchester Supreme Safari 400Gr. Nosler Solids. Does anyone have any experience with these solids on bull moose or grizzly? I'm not green, I've killed both animals with the aforementioned .45/70, along with several caribou. I'm just curious as to what I can expect with these solids. There will be little to no expansion, but will that even be an issue with good shot placement. And as for shot placement, I'm getting 1" groups at 200 yards in the field off of shooting sticks. Not an issue.
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Old 06-06-2016, 05:03 PM
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Are they legal? They would not be here, but I'm curious about what the rules are in Alaska.
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Old 06-06-2016, 05:23 PM
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Yes, solids are legal to use up here. And I sure am grateful, as my .45/70 was always loaded with large, heavy hard cast and my .44 mag is loaded right now with 300grn hard cast.
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Old 06-08-2016, 03:55 PM
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Flat point solids will work great. The meplat will determine the size of the wound channel. If you can find out what the meplat is somewhere on the beartooth site there is a calculator that will give you the size of the wound channel.
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Old 06-08-2016, 04:23 PM
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There are a few books by Peter Hathaway Capstick that address the issue of solids vs soft points etc on large and or dangerous game which may enlighten you. They can be found in PDF online particularly Death in the Dark Continent.

Speaking from personal experience on heavy boned big game they work fine if you break the animal down by shooting it through the shoulders. But for general purpose hunting and the like unless you take the shoulder you risk the animal getting away to die later when it bleeds out. I say this as I used a 375 H&H I had traded into one year for deer hunting, shot it through the boiler room with a solid and nearly lost it being it ran a good quarter mile. Had I taken the shoulder it would have ended then and there.

On the other hand the following year I again shot a deer with the 375 using soft points through the shoulder and ruined the whole front half of the deer. Enough was enough and back to the 06 I went.

As Capstick puts it the solids are better suited for heavy boned thick hide animals where penetration is needed to reach the vitals and or bones to incapacitate it.
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Old 06-08-2016, 04:28 PM
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You got it right, with proper shot placement OK; little or no expansion.

I've shot interior grizzlies and moose within 50 miles of the arctic circle, with my 416 rem mag (ballistically identical with the older Rigby).

grizz was 210 yards, off mono-pod. one shot, quartering away. hit heart dead center bear fell, rolled an died right there. 400 grain Hornady.
Large moose 54" was hit with same load two years earlier. One shot took out shoulder and heart, fell never moved.

In Africa the 416 was just as fatal, on buff and big stuff..
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Old 06-27-2016, 05:40 AM
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I have just hunted a variety of big and small game with 400gr Peregrine solids from a .416 Rigby in Northern Mozambique, Africa. It floored everything in its tracks with good shots. I lost a little bushbuck ewe with a shot too high and too far to the rear through the lungs. She was flattened immediately but got up and got away. No matter the calibre - if the shot is not into the heart or the arteries above it it will get away.

You have a good gun there, use it. That ammunition was a bargain
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Old 07-02-2016, 12:16 AM
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Thought I'd add this

.416 Rigby with monolithic solids is used by us for everything, even on lion and leopard over baits. Only when a lion that was wounded by a client was followed were soft nose bullets loaded.
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Old 07-09-2016, 11:03 AM
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When did Nosler start making .416 Solids?
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Old 07-09-2016, 05:48 PM
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https://www.midwayusa.com/product/99...olid-box-of-20
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Old 07-10-2016, 06:06 PM
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It will work fine. As long as you hit bone and preferably the top of the pump. I have shot forked Hornady Sitka Blacktail thru the lungs with 350gr Speer Hot Core at about 35 yards. Bullet was going around 2350fps from my first 416 Rem mag custom 17 Enfield. That buck ran about 40 yards and died in a mess of brush. I don't think the bullet expanded at all. Where as I've Flattened good size brown bear with the same bullet at the same velocity. .
Think about it , a 416 bullet is about as wide as lots of 30 cal expanding bullets and , it doesn't slow down as much inside the animal so it has the potential to do plenty of damage on the far side. Plus you can reload 300gr TSX or 350gr TTSX and it will work SPECTACULARLY on anything up here.
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Like you, I've killed several Griz with the 45-70. I have always used hard-cast which would be similar to a 416/400 solid (in terms of the type of bullet). The 45-70 with a 420gr. hardcast is a deadly combination for anything on earth.

I know your question is about bears, but here is some relevant experience. I have a 416 Rem that I have used in Africa/Argentina/Australia for buffalo and other critters that bite. I originally used solids and switched to the trophy bonded, hornady DGX and the Nosler Partition.

I found that the expanding bullet made'em die right there verses a long tracking job from the solids.

You know how Brownies can be... With a 416, I'd use an expanding bullet (a tough one). Having said that, I think anything solid and 40+ caliber trucking along at 2,400 will do just fine!

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Old 04-01-2017, 12:33 PM
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Like you, I've killed several Griz with the 45-70. I have always used hard-cast which would be similar to a 416/400 solid (in terms of the type of bullet). The 45-70 with a 420gr. hardcast is a deadly combination for anything on earth.

I know your question is about bears, but here is some relevant experience. I have a 416 Rem that I have used in Africa/Argentina/Australia for buffalo and other critters that bite. I originally used solids and switched to the trophy bonded, hornady DGX and the Nosler Partition.

I found that the expanding bullet made'em die right there verses a long tracking job from the solids.

You know how Brownies can be... With a 416, I'd use an expanding bullet (a tough one). Having said that, I think anything solid and 40+ caliber trucking along at 2,400 will do just fine!

Jim

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I did go watch your video. Beautiful rifle. Well done!
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Cool! Thanks!

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Old 04-05-2017, 05:41 AM
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The Speer 350 grain Mag-Tip has been a great bullet for me on lighter stuff in the 416 Rem and Weatherby. should be good for the rigby also.
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Old 04-05-2017, 01:37 PM
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Solids

Am I right in assuming that by "solids" we all mean "full metal jacket, no lead showing?"?. Years ago I bought 3000 rounds of .30 Rem from the Montna State Prison in Deer Lodge, Mt. and all have a 160 grain full metall round nose jacket. I have 3 rifles, Remington pumps, that are .30 Rem but we always hunted with 170 grain Core Loct Softpoint. Guess the guards at Prison had other quarry!! Since they were not hunting bullets, no one wanted them so I got them for 10 bucks a thousand (20 cents a box) and the boys shoot ground squirrels with them.
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Old 04-06-2017, 12:32 AM
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Am I right in assuming that by "solids" we all mean "full metal jacket, no lead showing?"?.
Solids are the same material all the way through, not a jacket over a core of different material.
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Old 04-06-2017, 03:12 AM
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If you do shoot a griz with that you better make that round count , it will literally knock you down and bruise your shoulder with one shot if you are not securing it correctly when you fire it. My shoulder hurts just thinking about it.
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Old 04-06-2017, 11:18 AM
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If you do shoot a griz with that you better make that round count , it will literally knock you down and bruise your shoulder with one shot if you are not securing it correctly when you fire it. My shoulder hurts just thinking about it.
Actually, I've put a lot of rounds through it, and it shoots very, very nicely. A big, old, classy gentleman. I've shot many other rifles of much lesser caliber that hurt much worse. To me, the recoil, though of course a bit of a different kind, is no more punishing than a Marlin 1895G with hot loads, which I don't find particularly punishing at all. The heavy rifle, stock design and low-pressure cartridge all come together to make for a true classic that is also a joy to shoot.
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