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Old 03-16-2017, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by langenc View Post
Boarndrv could just as well been talking about any semiauto compared to any bolt. No need to pick on the BAR.

I was along w/ a shooter, out from Valdez, who shot a black bear w/ his BAR. Couple shots-no problem.
Was not my intent! So I'll re-phrase: 99% of the time any semi auto would be fine. But when the conditions go to crap, a bolt or lever would be my preference.

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Old 05-14-2017, 04:39 AM
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Small Base Dies for Autoloaders

Perhaps you should spend the money and pick up a small base die to resize your brass you are going to use in your BAR. Did you have the same problems with factory ammo? Chamber specifications are quite tight and controlled in BARs and help with the awesome accuracy from this autoloader. Autoloaders in particular can be finicky with once (or more) fired brass. FL resizing tends to work in most cases but, in 2 of my 4 BARs I have to use SB dies and have NO problems and staying with relatively mid to fast burning powders for the caliber i'm shooting. Give it a try and I will bet you can take your safe queen back out and hunt with confidence.
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Old 05-14-2017, 06:05 AM
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Has anyone noticed that some rounds are just a little 'different' about loading, extracting or ejecting with your bolt action or lever? Most of us have, especially with reloads. Autos are driven crazy by those little glitches and you can expect them with any auto unless you do like the military and make small, hard, ammo and large chambers with plenty of slop and tolerance. They work very well under all conditions.

I was a fresh gunsmith in a large, Browning-centric shop when the BAR was brand new. I cast several chambers that were smaller than a Clymer reamer(!!) There were about a thousand that were quietly recalled through dealers because factory ammo was becoming jammed in tiny chambers and then the customer would try to rod it out and a wreck ensued. There was a period of angst getting the BAR tuned up for use. RCBS was the first for SB dies in BAR calibers.

I've only had one in the shop since 1970 and that was to strip the camo paint off it. They can be a great rifle.
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Old 05-14-2017, 08:10 PM
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Well Jack, I hope you have read some of my posts explaining why my two BAR rifles, cal 30-06 both sit in the cabinet during any serious hunting season. Both bought brand new, grade 2, the latest is with BOSS system. Both have been sent back to Browning twice, the latest before it was ever shot. Neither would ever reliably feed handloads and the new one would jam even with
Browning factory loads. I was stubborn and addicted to the extremely reliable Remington 742 we used for years so I insisted on giving the Bar a chance, over and over. Resulted in countless missed elk standing broadside when my rifle went "CLICK". My group of 4 hunting partners all bought BAR rifles in the late 1970's and within 2 years (hunting seasons) everyone had sold or traded them off for 'Remingtonsl. I won't repeat all of the problems since I decribed most of them in previous posts.
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Old 05-16-2017, 05:57 AM
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I'm not in Alaska but in Ontario, Canada where hunting temps can be very variable. I've owned two big game semi rifles, one a 7 Rem Mag in a BAR, the other a .35 Whelen in a Rem 7400.

The BAR caused me grief because the chamber was not cut properly. After a round(s) was fired the neck was like it had already been resized for a reload. I didn't keep it long. It was swapped in the shop where purchased for a new M70 in .300 WM without cost to me.

The .35 Whelen in the Rem 7400 was a GREAT rifle. Used only regular dies. It would shoot everything into +/- MOA. 250s at 2600, 225s at 2700 and 200s at 2800. Never a problem in any kind of weather. It even shot 300s well (Barnes' Original) at 2350 fps. I'd have another without a hitch. Was a bit heavy, though. Never noticed recoil.

I disagree a little about the reliability of bolt-actions under all conditions. I had one (Rem 700 in .270 Win.) freeze the bolt to the receiver that couldn't be opened until taken inside a warm vehicle. It was during a freezing rain storm.

But, in my view, based on the one experience with the 7400, it would be hard to beat a .35 Whelen in a Rem 750 (upgrade of the 7400) for any game in Alaska (or Ontario).

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