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Old 04-17-2017, 04:37 PM
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Stopped in at Sportsman's Warehouse while is Soldotna today, and found 3 boxes of HSM Cowboy loads for $27.00 per box. I took all 3 boxes. When these companies started coming out with these hot, super whiz-bang ammo recipes, people, especially new hunters, got the idea that the old original .45-70 pushing a 405 grn bullet at 1350 fps was insufficient for more serious hunting, especially big game. I love the work Garrett has done, and I too have carried and shot Buffalo Bore, Hornady Leverevolution, et al for quite a while. And those super bullets surely do work. I've taken grizzly and moose with them myself. But now, the original loading has somehow been regulated to "cowboy loads", like they are some kind of toy bullets. So the price has become waaaaaay cheaper than "real ammo". I'm here to say, If you cant kill a moose or a grizzly up here in Alaska, or an elk in Montana, with a 405 grn chunk of lead lumbering along at 1350 fps, you're doing something wrong. They are far more pleasant to shoot, far more economical, and far far more historically proven on North American big game than than their newer, sexier modern brothers.

So...you young fellers with thick necks and velvet on yer antlers just keep buying Buffalo Bore at $70.00 a box, or Garrett ammo at $90.00, a box so this silly old geezer can keep buying the "toy bullets" at half price and keep on hunting!
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:41 AM
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I agree, the old 1300 fps loading did the job. I can't see paying even $27 a box though, when I can reload for much cheaper, load any bullet or velocity level I want, and have more accurate ammo to boot.
I have loaded 405 grain soft points ( for hunting) at a leisurely 1500 fps for the last 40 years, and a lot of lead bullets for range use. Always did the job on Montana big game.
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Old 04-19-2017, 05:07 AM
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Nothing wrong with 405/1300 for hunting at woods ranges. Been working a very, very long time. However, I've also found that Hornady LE ammo always seems to be among the least expensive available for the 45-70, .444 and .450.

It's all in what shoots well and in turn works well for one's needs.
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