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Old 04-19-2017, 03:50 AM
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My atheist friends think I'm a masochist, I like to debate liberals too. Really had to be careful lately with that though, not difficult to get them drooling out of the corners of there mouths wild eyed and clinching there fists while screaming unintelligible sentences except for the word "Russians" at the end of every one.
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Old 04-19-2017, 11:01 AM
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I recall the days there was a "Commie" behind every bush. Those were the times when all the kiddies went under school desk to escape the A bombs of the atheist Communist. If we were removed from here to that time if would have been different. All those souls who had to do with Reds would be up for treason a capital crime. We need to stop blowing off all this crazy stuff and get back to basics. The Bill of Rights is under attack from all sides. I get chills when I hear one of the anti-gun people talk about the 2nd Amendment being from another time now needs to go. Your fundamental buddy Alaska444 has no idea what the separation of church and state really means. We are up **** creek with a paddle.
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Old 04-19-2017, 11:45 AM
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I will take the word of a God as written by Holy men moved by the Holy Ghost. I believe the Holy Bible is the true literal word of God as preserved in English in the King James Version.

I have presented rebuttals to you by simply quoting God' s word. That is Not my own opinions as you allege in error.

In any case, your views are not from the Bible so feel free to believe whatever you wish, but it is not from the Bible.

Sir, You are not teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. You are teaching the 'customs and traditions of men, even though many of these custom and traditions did not even exist during the time of Jesus but were invented later. You are merely substituting a new generation of "custom and traditions, for the older Hebrew ones that Jesus said he came to replace.
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Old 04-19-2017, 01:55 PM
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The obvious question is why the sub-forum "cross-wire" even exists on a gun/shooting/hunting forum, if you don't want people to discuss a particular topic on your website that is totally unrelated to the primary focus of the forum why create the space for it and then complain when folks want to talk about an aspect of it?
I understand that the debate between creationism and evolution makes some folks very uncomfortable, the answer is.......don't read it....or don't create a place on your forum where it's likely to happen.
btw the ones that are the most uncomfortable about the discussion are the same ones with serious doubt in their minds about their beliefs, true believers on either side haven't a ounce of uncomfortableness.

And before I sign off alaska444 is a great guy, I really respect his knowledge and beliefs, that doesn't mean I have to agree with him, I get along great with very religious people....and I love to debate them. That being said I don't believe I've ever changed a single one of themes mind on creationism. I could debate him for months and never get upset or ever have hard feeling towards him.
Dear Kevinbear, this is perhaps the only issue on Christianity I am in complete agreement with you. If you are going to have a forum such as Crossfire, let folks speak respectfully of their believes. If they can't do so respectfully, then censure the responses.

I was actually quite disappointed my thread on dinosaurs and geology was closed since all the posts were respectful. That leaves me to wonder what are we "allowed" to post or not on this forum? But if we are to have a forum such as Crossfire, I believe folks should be able to respectfully discuss their beliefs. Just my own two cents.
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Old 04-19-2017, 02:05 PM
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Sir, You are not teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. You are teaching the 'customs and traditions of men, even though many of these custom and traditions did not even exist during the time of Jesus but were invented later. You are merely substituting a new generation of "custom and traditions, for the older Hebrew ones that Jesus said he came to replace.
Dear BAGTIC, I believe it is best to simply agree to disagree. Thank you.
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Old 04-19-2017, 02:09 PM
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I recall the days there was a "Commie" behind every bush. Those were the times when all the kiddies went under school desk to escape the A bombs of the atheist Communist. If we were removed from here to that time if would have been different. All those souls who had to do with Reds would be up for treason a capital crime. We need to stop blowing off all this crazy stuff and get back to basics. The Bill of Rights is under attack from all sides. I get chills when I hear one of the anti-gun people talk about the 2nd Amendment being from another time now needs to go. Your fundamental buddy Alaska444 has no idea what the separation of church and state really means. We are up **** creek with a paddle.
Sorry, not sure why separation of church and state is part of this conversation, but I am Actually VERY familiar with the history, philosophy and temporal ideology of separation of church and state starting with its surprising development in Rhode Island's founder.

If you wish to discuss this issue in greater detail, please feel free to start another thread and I would be more than happy to respectfully reply. Thank you.
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:45 PM
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Alaska444: I'd work you too hard misquoting the Bible and cooking up fake history. It's good that you folks have a chance to share your views. Sunlight is the best antiseptic. The First Amendment is there to keep folks like you between the ditches. I cannot view America being run with people sharing your toxic belief system. You are now on my ignore list

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Old 04-19-2017, 03:52 PM
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Alaska444: I'd work you too hard misquoting the bible and cooking up fake history. It's good that you folks have a chance to share your views. Sunlight is the best antiseptic. The First Amendment is there to keep folks like you between the ditches. I cannot view America being run with people sharing your toxic belief system. You are now on my ignore list.
Thank you, please do ignore.

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Old 05-09-2017, 11:35 AM
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The ten commandments say "thou shall have no other gods before me", not thou shall have no other gods.
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Old 05-09-2017, 11:46 AM
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having read the bible and studied the book of Revelation rather extensively i'm going to say stand back and let it happen. othere wise you may find your selves fighting against God

Remember that when the canon was first being decided on "revelations" was rejected. It was only when their first 'canon' proved unacceptable by higher up that they made a new list which included "Revelations" but omitted 'Peter'. Likewise the different churches have different 'canon', Roman Catholic, Easter Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, Protestants, etc.. What is considered correct or incorrect is determined by men not by God. This is what happens when idolaters worship their idol, the Bible, instead of God.. Jesus himself said that the words he spoke took priority over the words men had written.
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:38 PM
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Remember that when the canon was first being decided on "revelations" was rejected. It was only when their first 'canon' proved unacceptable by higher up that they made a new list which included "Revelations" but omitted 'Peter'. Likewise the different churches have different 'canon', Roman Catholic, Easter Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, Protestants, etc.. What is considered correct or incorrect is determined by men not by God. This is what happens when idolaters worship their idol, the Bible, instead of God.. Jesus himself said that the words he spoke took priority over the words men had written.
Not true. A very interesting Bible study is found noting that the apostles called the Scripture they wrote by the power of the Holy Ghost "Commandments." Peter recognized Paul's writings as Scripture, Paul called his own writings Commandments and Paul called the work written by Mark Commandments.

The apostles understood when the Holy Ghost inspired their writings and when it was their own work. Paul makes mention of a third letter to the Corinthians that was not inspired by the Holy Spirit. The apostles knew and understood what was the word of God and they collated the Bible.

Sure, the Catholics argued over the Bible and then even banned its reading at the onset of their ungodly inquisitions. But to state that men put the Bible together is to be ignorant of the Bible's own internal testimony on what is and what is not Scripture.

I have no doubt we today have the precise Word of God with us today and by choice I choose only the Authorized King James Version for many reasons beyond the scope of this discussion.

I worship Christ and His works which include His Holy Word. The trinity is well recorded in the OT starting in the very first book of the Bible in the very first chapter.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Note that God is in the plural in this most fascinating verse. God did make man in His image with a triune body, soul and spirit just as God Himself is a triune being. I readily understand you reject the trinity which is your own opinion but that is not reflected in the Bible. You are free to believe whatever you wish to believe but you should honestly state that is your own personal opinion. It is not a teaching from the Bible.

I do believe rejecting the trinity and the divinity of Christ is done at your own peril but that is your own personal decision by your own free will. I simply believe our choices have eternal consequences.

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Old 05-12-2017, 11:43 AM
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That's what I said!! But as with liberals in general they want to impose their beliefs on you, conservatives IMO are mostly live and let live.

You have that backward. I have never been threatened by atheists trying to force we to comply with their beliefs. The basis of atheism is free will, freedom of choice and individual responsibility.

Personally I don't care what others believe so long as they let me be. What I do object to is ignorant, illiterate, and in some cases plain stupid people, atheist or religionist, trying to force their beliefs on me.

Furthermore, SURPRISE! I am not an atheist. Neither am I ignorant, illiterate, or stupid and I do not intend to change in order to conform to others delusions.
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Old 05-12-2017, 12:54 PM
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This thread is a truly great bit of reading, going all the way back to its origin. I've just re-read most of it, and it is just great, great stuff. I nominate the thread for a Sticky, if it is not already so classified...
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Old 05-12-2017, 01:53 PM
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You have that backward. I have never been threatened by atheists trying to force we to comply with their beliefs. The basis of atheism is free will, freedom of choice and individual responsibility.

Personally I don't care what others believe so long as they let me be. What I do object to is ignorant, illiterate, and in some cases plain stupid people, atheist or religionist, trying to force their beliefs on me.

Furthermore, SURPRISE! I am not an atheist. Neither am I ignorant, illiterate, or stupid and I do not intend to change in order to conform to others delusions.
Are you on drugs? I agree with you on everything yet you continue to pretend were at odds with each other.
Well, we agree on everything politically that is, I'm a small a atheist.

ps you know I reread that just now and am I understanding correctly your a liberal?
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Old 05-12-2017, 02:29 PM
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Easy, gents. You'll get the thread closed, then we'll have no more of such a lively discussion in which we can partake. If you want to launch missiles, best to do it via PMs...
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Old 05-12-2017, 11:28 PM
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You have that backward. I have never been threatened by atheists trying to force we to comply with their beliefs. The basis of atheism is free will, freedom of choice and individual responsibility.

Personally I don't care what others believe so long as they let me be. What I do object to is ignorant, illiterate, and in some cases plain stupid people, atheist or religionist, trying to force their beliefs on me.

Furthermore, SURPRISE! I am not an atheist. Neither am I ignorant, illiterate, or stupid and I do not intend to change in order to conform to others delusions.
That is an interesting statement. The basis of Christianity is free will, freedom of choice and individual responsibility.

Free will is at the heart of Christian doctrine. The reason for this is quite simple and yet profound. For love to be love it must be free. God desires the love of all His creation but He does not force Himself upon anyone. That would not be love.

For love to be love, you must have the ability to choose to love. God has presented the gospel of Christ as a freewill choice to all men everywhere.

The crucifixion of Christ was because all men are individually responsible for everything they have done in their bodies whether good or bad. The love of God provided a ransom for all those who call upon the name of Christ. True Christianity by definition forces no man. We are all free to accept or reject the ransom He has paid.

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