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Old 01-10-2013, 07:57 AM
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It's the picture that sparked a thousand debates. Or at least feels that way. The debate over the separation between church and state at one Ohio school started over a painting — a portrait of Jesus that has hung over the entrance of Jackson Middle School since 1947. No one seemed to mind until the Freedom From Religion Foundation, a Wisconsin-based organization, received a complaint, and demanded the portrait be removed. But the town's school board refused, saying the portrait did not violate federal law because the picture had "historical significance." The foundation said it would consider legal action if the portrait remained hanging. [Source]

The picture has been there since 1947 and now all of a sudden it has to go. I think the FFRF should take
their legal action and stick it where the sun don't shine. JMO

I think this should have went into a differant area, if so please move.

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Old 01-17-2013, 05:02 PM
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Gosh, Jesus seems like he was a really nice guy....pushing Christianity on people seems a bit heavy-handed. Pagans are nice, maybe a little "earthy", Hindus are a little occupied with nature, Muslims are kinda locked in on a book(Kuran), like the the Christians(bible). When will those people think for themselves?
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Isn't that "Freedom OF religion" and not freedom "FROM". Correct me if I am wrong. Thanx, as I could use improvement on this issue. To me, it seems like freedom to Muslems and fry the Christians? Just my two cents but am getting tired of it.
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Find and read the book, "The Myth of Separartion". It is enlighetning at least. For about 170-180 years the US Supreme Court held that this was a Christian nation, founded on Christian principles. However, as the courts became more "enlightened" the falsely interpreted doctrine of separation of church and state began to hold sway. The statement is "shall not establish" and was originally intended to prevent the government support, through taxation, of a particular faith and a requirement to be of that faith to hold office, vote, own property, etc., etc. In short, to prevent a theocracy. Professing themselves to be wise they became fools. attaloss, you're correct.

It's popular at the moment to attack Christians. It is that we have chosen a standard by which to live, same as virtually every other religion ever established, but somehow ours is offensive. It's ok to pick and choose among methods of morality and make up how one acts and believes all by themselves, to become your own higher power....your own god, and then to believe you're going to heaven because you're a "good person". No faith on the face of the earth preaches that or will buy it. The only heaven will be your own. But if you insert a diety, especially the Christian God, as the head of your faith and proclaim belief in the Bible and Jesus death, burial and resurrection...well, you're just a little too far out there for "thinking folks".

Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. No, that can't work.....it has to be "nobody plus nothing equals something".....yes, that's it, that is real faith, that something came from nothing. I believe I will stick to my God, my Christianity and my Bible.
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:01 PM
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> For about 170-180 years the US Supreme Court held that this was a Christian nation,
> founded on Christian principles

That is because it is in the DOI, was in almost all the colony charters, except GA, and early state Constitutions. If you were not a Christian, you were not allowed to hold public office in many states. Some southern states elected black men, but, would not have an atheist hold office, as an example.

The Bill of Rights applied to the Federal government, not the states, and states could have an official state religion if they choose to. SO, the founding fathers would see no problem with a picture of Jesus over a door way or even John Smith or William Penn if that was to your state's liking.
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:20 PM
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Ghandi said: "I like your Christ. I just don't like your Christians. They are so unlike Christ." I can see where Ghandi was coming from.
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:29 AM
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Gosh, Jesus seems like he was a really nice guy....pushing Christianity on people seems a bit heavy-handed. Pagans are nice, maybe a little "earthy", Hindus are a little occupied with nature, Muslims are kinda locked in on a book(Kuran), like the the Christians(bible). When will those people think for themselves?
I do think for myself, and chose Jesus as my Lord and savior.
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:27 PM
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I do think for myself, and chose Jesus as my Lord and Savior.
I'm with you, Rusty. There will come One Fine Day when all must stand before God and answer questions about how we conducted ourselves upon this mortal coil. The entire lives of everyone whom ever lived will play out like a movie in the mind's eye of everyone else whom ever lived as we stand there. All will be revealed. No questions will be left unanswered. All lies will be exposed. No mysteries will remain unsolved. Truth will reign. And so it shall be, forever.

A man told me years ago, as we are all assembled on Judgment Day, that God will ask of us but one question: "How many did you tell about Me?" I'm hopin' to himmel I've spread the Word to His liking. And in how little I understand God, I do understand that He already knows the answer...
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Old 02-26-2013, 02:51 AM
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I suspect that if the picture of Christ was painted as Chirst actually looked, rather then a blond blue eyed Dane, I bet that there would be no objection.

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Old 02-26-2013, 05:12 AM
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I suspect that if the picture of Christ was painted as Chirst actually looked, rather then a blond blue eyed Dane, I bet that there would be no objection.

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Did a simple search-- ethnicity of christ; found myself on Wikipedia. Says no physical descriptions of Christ in life exist. Because He was from the Palestine area, we can more or less safely assume he would look like a modern-day Arab. There are many variations of skin tone in Arabs, so even that is not a sure thing. But generally Arabs have olive skin, brown/dark eyes and black/dark hair. I'm guessing no physical descriptions exist because no one thought it important to write it down. The Apostles were more interested in what He had to say than in how He looked. As for me, I am more interested in what He had to say than in how He looked.
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My point was, the people who are finding the picture of Christ offensive are very superficial people.

A picture of Yassar Arafat with a quote from the Bible would not be as offensive as the same quote with a picture of the blond Dane.

This was my point, nothing else.

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My point was, the people who are finding the picture of Christ offensive are very superficial people.
I'd say they are the type that have discarded anything having to do with moral absolutes. These type see nothing wrong with homosexuality, homosexuals as Boy Scout troop leaders, gay "marriage," pedophilia, adultery, drug use, teachers having sexual relationships with students and all manner of other abominations in the eyes of God, and in the hearts and minds of a civilized society. They continue to cling to the 1960s hippie mantra of "If it feels good, do it." Well, for forty-plus years, we've been doing what "feels good" and rationalizing it away, and here we are. America is a cesspool of depravity and they who speak up against such depravity are labeled racists, bigots, judgmental and homophobes. The Founders and Framers must surely weep for the pitiful state of the wonderful nation for which they fought and died to give to us...
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Characterizing all people of any group as a single archetype is fallacious. Saints and arses are present in every religion, political party, race, nationality, etc.. Judging people by a stereotype is one of the outward signs of bigotry and ignorance.

Ironically in ancient times racial and religious bigotry were almost unknown. Polytheist religion seldom if ever fought Holy Wars. It was the rise of monotheism that instigated religious bigotry.

'Freedom of Religion' means freedom of choice in religion just as the 'Right to Keep and Bear Arms' means the right to chose to keep & bear arms, it is not an obligatory mandate.
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Characterizing all people of any group as a single archetype is fallacious. Saints and arses are present in every religion, political party, race, nationality, etc.. Judging people by a stereotype is one of the outward signs of bigotry and ignorance.

Ironically in ancient times racial and religious bigotry were almost unknown. Polytheist religion seldom if ever fought Holy Wars. It was the rise of monotheism that instigated religious bigotry.

'Freedom of Religion' means freedom of choice in religion just as the 'Right to Keep and Bear Arms' means the right to chose to keep & bear arms, it is not an obligatory mandate.
The Bible teaches us that we ought not have any other gods but The Christ himself. I don't force this on anyone. Instead I Invite others to join. Ultimately, its their own choice to accept or deny.
I believe there is only one single path to Heaven and this is through Jesus. This is a narrow path. Not many will travel on it.
There is a wide path that holds many on it. This leads to destruction.

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Old 03-29-2013, 07:18 AM
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Read today that a college Prof, had his students write Jesus on a piece of paper and then stand on it.
Only one Kid refused and was then disciplined!

I think the Prof should have students write Mohammed or Allah on a piece of paper and stand on it. But I'm sure he is to afraid to do that.

It is now "cool" to tolerate and embrace everything but Christians. WOW!

We are now in the time of calling evil good and good evil.
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having read the bible and studied the book of Revelation rather extensively i'm going to say stand back and let it happen. othere wise you may find your selves fighting against God

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. . . fighting against God.
Also known as Liberal Democratism...
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Also known as Liberal Democratism...
no its Scripture
acts 5: 39  but if it is from God, YOU will not be able to overthrow them otherwise, YOU may perhaps be found fighters actually against God.”
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Why is it that in wars, both sides claim to have god on their side?
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I believe that it is because you are dealing with governments on both sides using propaganda to enlist the support of their people. Also remember that we are all sinful by nature, being a believer doesn't make you perfect or even as moral as some non-believers, believers realize that they are in need of a savioir because they are sinful and that is their only hope.
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