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Old 01-07-2017, 01:21 PM
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For crying out loud, people!
This nutcase should never have had access to a handgun.
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Old 01-07-2017, 01:30 PM
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We don't know know how long he's been a Nutjob. If, stay with me here, the reports are true that he came back from combat in a messed up mental state he wouldn't be the first. Add that he said he's been hearing voices. Then consider paranoid schizophrenia usual onset is males in their early 20's. Don't get me wrong, what happened is evil. But there maybe more to this than the smack you in the face obvious
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Old 01-07-2017, 01:34 PM
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For crying out loud, people!
This nutcase should never have had access to a handgun.
Jim
Car,hammer,airplane,screwdriver,rock,etc. We need to regulate these evil tools so as to protect our children.

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Old 01-07-2017, 01:46 PM
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Car,hammer,airplane,screwdriver,rock,etc. We need to regulate these evil tools so as to protect our children.

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EXACTLY! where was his family taking away his weapon(s) when they admittedly knew he became unstable?
Legislating mental issues as a reason to remove ownership is a slippery slope at best.
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:22 PM
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EXACTLY! where was his family taking away his weapon(s) when they admittedly knew he became unstable?
Esteban Santiago lived and worked in Alaska. His family was in New Jersey.

Santiago was arrested and charged with assaulting his girlfriend early in 2016. He later went to his girlfriends home in violation of a restraining order. The state of Alaska should have confiscated his guns then. Instead the prosecutor came up with a sweetheart plea deal.

Santiago spent one tour in Iraq as a combat engineer. According to family members he was traumatized when an IED went off near two of his friends.

What we have here is mass murder committed by a combat veteran who was crying out for help. There are thousands of combat veterans like Esteban Santiago out there. Many suffer from traumatic brain injuries and PTSD. There will be more incidents like this one.
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:26 PM
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Doesn't matter where his family was. They knew he was unstable. Multiple balls have been dropped. But I'll let the facts shake out before passing judgment.
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Old 01-07-2017, 03:12 PM
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After Esteban Santiago went to the FBI and complained of hearing voices he was turned over to the state of Alaska. He was given a mental examination and was undergoing treatment.

Suspected Ft. Lauderdale airport gunman was receiving psychological treatment, family says | Fox News

BTW: When he went into the FBI office Santiago was carrying a gun in violation of federal law. The FBI took his gun and gave it to local police who later returned it to Santiago.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/06/us/for...ect/index.html

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Old 01-08-2017, 12:47 AM
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If that is true, a number of heads should fall. The UK just got to be involved as I learn this morning a UK grandmother was one of those murdered.
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Old 01-08-2017, 04:03 AM
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A number of other shootings etc. have been performed by people who were known by authorities to be unstable but nothing was done and nothing probably will be done. They seem to care more about gun control while giving lip service to mental health.
Our governor sighed the new gun control legislation after the school shooting here which included additional directives for mental health . During the last few years as the budget became tight and expenditures had to be reduced, you guessed it, he cut mental health funding. But nothing was cut re: gun control costs.
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Old 01-08-2017, 04:23 AM
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The fact that he checked the gun in doesn't mean he was legally allowed to own or possess the firearm. The airports don't do a background check on that. We would need more info on this aspect. The problem could be a major nut case who shouldn't have a firearm to begin with got one on a plane?
Doesn't matter, you check in locked firearms and separately locked ammo. The issue is the security in the luggage area which is the most lax at an airport. It's being widely discussed in the media already.
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Old 01-08-2017, 05:03 AM
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With so many law abiding people travelling with lawfully owned firearms, it is difficult to see how this sort of incident can be covered and prevented at the airport. I agree it should have been prevented by taking firearms away from this guy in the first place. The only way is , as I have said, no flying with ammunition, buy it or arrange it when you get there. It will cause me some annoyance and maybe a small extra expense because 375JDJ and my 257 wildcat ammo, is not readily available over the counter in Slovenia. I would have to find someway to ship it ahead of time.
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Old 01-08-2017, 06:31 AM
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While the liberal media will put their own spin on this tragedy no matter what the facts are, there's a very simple truth to be found here.

Any Florida resident could have left his home armed, walked into the airport baggage area (it's open to the public after all) and performed the same sick deed.

The idea that somehow flying with a checked firearm has anything to do with this incident is incorrect IMO. Sick is as sick does.
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Old 01-08-2017, 06:36 AM
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It is amazing how many of these scumbags are already on the government's radar. The problem is that the reaction is always a scattergun approach with broad sweeping law changes that only inconvenience law abiding citizens, instead of focusing and profiling on these high risk individuals.
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:55 AM
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This Florida airport was probably the largest "GUN FREE" zone, he could think of. I wonder how far he would have gotten up in Anchorage's airport? The Alaska F.B.I. may not be on the hook for this one. They took his gun away, and sent him in for mental evaluations. Then the local LEO chief gave him back the firearm which he used in Florida.
Part of this is that almost everyone, flies out of Anchorage to reach the lower 48. Putting people on the Fed's No Fly register, up there, will get the Alaskan voters' hackles up as quick as anything. And expecting family members in New Jersey to "See something, and Say something" is not going anywhere. If the Anchorage LEO's dropped the ball, then putting in copious extra layers isn't going to change things.

And as a parting shot, that Florida Airport is in Little Debbie W. Schultz's Cong. district. But I don't know if she even flies out of it, going back and forth, to Wash. D.C. Even getting rid of the "Gun Free Zone" wouldn't have helped, since the passengers shot and killed, were only transiting through the airport, from distant origination's. Only putting plain clothed armed security agents around baggage claim areas would have had any real chance to stop this. Getting rid of the Gun Free Zone signs, though, may have taken the Bloom off of the Rose, so to speak. These signs have been the Lone Wolves, terrorists', magnets.

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Old 01-08-2017, 10:32 AM
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It doesn't make sense to me that he was given his gun back. Common sense tells me that someone who is hearing voices compelling him to watch ISIS recruitment videos needs to be disarmed. I saw a report that said that once he was released from the mental hospital there was no legal mechanism in place to keep him from getting the gun back. That is a loophole in current law that needs to be addressed.

It also doesn't make sense to me that he wasn't charged for walking into the FBI office with a gun. Had they charged him, the gun could have been kept as evidence while the case went through the courts.

This is one of those times when a mass shooting could and should have been prevented, but the authorities dropped the ball. I know this much: If twenty six year old children getting gunned down while in class wasn't enough to cause Congress to act, people killing people in airports, night clubs, malls, churches, or anywhere else won't result in action either. Mass shootings are here to stay.
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Old 01-08-2017, 10:50 AM
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A loophole that congress needs to act on. Alright. Let me propose this as our new law.

"From this day forward, it shall now be against the law to break the law."

Did I miss any loopholes?

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Old 01-08-2017, 11:16 AM
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The media will continue to hype this tragic incident, as if it was the only cause of preventable death in the U.S. But the media and talking heads will ignore the 10 or 12 people killed every week in Chicago, for example, because they don't want to point out the dismal failure of gun control there.

Nor the hundred or so people killed across the country, every day, by cars.

Nor the larger yet number killed every day across the country, on average, by prescription drugs.

The list goes on and on.
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:05 PM
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A loophole that congress needs to act on. Alright. Let me propose this as our new law.

"From this day forward, it shall now be against the law to break the law."

Did I miss any loopholes?

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Your not Mr Gowdy by any chance are you ???
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:22 PM
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Your not Mr Gowdy by any chance are you ???
No. I had to search the name "Mr Gowdy". I'm in Iowa Sus. Have never been anywhere near that far east (assuming my search results are what you intended).

Why do you ask?

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Well in my view and I'm only a dumb Englishman, I just wish we had Trey Gowdy as our Prime Minister. He talks my sort of language. Pro gun and pro everything I stand for.
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