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Old 01-06-2017, 12:28 PM
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Latest reports are that the shooter of several passengers waiting for luggage at the Ft Lauderdale airport was a passenger who had flown into Ft Lauderdale with a declared firearm. Reports are 5 dead, 8 injured. Shooter is alive.

This may not bode well for future traveling with firearms.

Added: New reports have the shooter flying in from Alaska and having a legally checked firearm he secured after the flight, loaded at the airport and then turned on other passengers.
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Old 01-06-2017, 12:51 PM
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TN, I agree. It sounds like that was the perp's plan all along.
TSA will attempt to invalidate that type of service. It will be interesting to see the Trump administration's reaction.
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Old 01-06-2017, 12:55 PM
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Prayers to the families. Not good for hunters that travel with weapons and handloads. That's for sure.
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Old 01-06-2017, 01:06 PM
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The fact that he checked the gun in doesn't mean he was legally allowed to own or possess the firearm. The airports don't do a background check on that. We would need more info on this aspect. The problem could be a major nut case who shouldn't have a firearm to begin with got one on a plane?
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Old 01-06-2017, 01:08 PM
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It's already been established he's a whack job. Just heard he was reserved military too
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Old 01-06-2017, 01:11 PM
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Innocent folks lost by the hands of man. Not the tool used!
Don't forget about folks that rent cars and trucks and airplanes. Sometimes they use them to commit mayhem.

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Old 01-06-2017, 01:15 PM
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That is, of course, correct! There is no shortage of demented people with demented minds bent on mayhem or their 15 mins of fame.

As above, thoughts and prayers for all those affected by the tragedy.
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Old 01-06-2017, 02:55 PM
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As Tn said, I agree, this will make all airlines very twitchy about flying firearms. I must admit I had never thought of this danger, but when I go hunting overseas I walk through the terminal with a rifle and ammunition. If there is a problem then they could simply say, no ammunition and you would have to arrange purchase or delivery at destination. Just a pity no law officer around to save the USA some money in the future.
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Old 01-06-2017, 04:09 PM
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As I walked around many airports overseas, from Frankfurt to Stuttgart to Cairo to Tel Aviv, I saw police (military?) at every corner sporting automatic weapons. That's something I've never seen here. Simply said, we do not do that here, while most all overseas destinations I've been to (many more) have had those types of "guards" present.

I'm not saying I liked seeing that, I understand, however, that a crazy gunman/woman might think twice about starting a "gunfight" there.

You cannot legislate, ever, crazy. Doesn't matter the laws, crazies will still act crazy. All the restrictions in the world cannot stop a crazy bent on mayhem. Seems the peaceful folks of Great Britain saw a government official killed in the last year or so. Prevent handgun ownership? Someone will use a knife.

It's always a tragedy when innocent people die at the hands of a madman(woman), but there's no way we can keep all folks "safe" all the time.

While all passengers on those flights were not allowed to have a firearm on their person while picking up their luggage, it might have been a good thing if someone picking one of them up had a permit and was armed.
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Old 01-06-2017, 05:23 PM
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Yup. Saw the police in Europe at airports with sub guns, walking around in pairs. They take security a little more seriously there, I think.
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Old 01-06-2017, 05:43 PM
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the latest reports, circa 5:00 P.M. cable news, is that the pilot didn't know any firearm was stowed on his flight. This guy just put it into either his checked luggage, or carry on, with the ammo, and then loaded, or just pulled three loaded magazines, out of his bag in the bathroom. Then at the carousel, he pulled it out and started shooting. Late news says that the Anchorage TSA, flubbed their inspection of this guy. the Fla. Governor says that he will track down and see punished, anyone who is responsible. He is a personal friend of Trump, so it may happen.

Not much more on the News. I remember that you have to put the ammo in a locked box in your checked in luggage, and the firearms in another, and separate locked hard case. So I think that he either sneaked the gun, or the ammo in three magazines, in his checked baggage. Its not legal to have both in one checked bag.

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Old 01-07-2017, 04:15 AM
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the latest reports, circa 5:00 P.M. cable news, is that the pilot didn't know any firearm was stowed on his flight. This guy just put it into either his checked luggage, or carry on, with the ammo, and then loaded, or just pulled three loaded magazines, out of his bag in the bathroom. Then at the carousel, he pulled it out and started shooting. Late news says that the Anchorage TSA, flubbed their inspection of this guy. the Fla. Governor says that he will track down and see punished, anyone who is responsible. He is a personal friend of Trump, so it may happen.

Not much more on the News. I remember that you have to put the ammo in a locked box in your checked in luggage, and the firearms in another, and separate locked hard case. So I think that he either sneaked the gun, or the ammo in three magazines, in his checked baggage. Its not legal to have both in one checked bag.
Not exactly true. The airlines set the policies themselves. I've flown a lot with weapons, and how it gets done depends on who's at the ticket counter, the airline, what day it is, and what color shirt I'm wearing. In other words there's no rhyme or reason to the rules. Most times I have the rifle, bolt out, magazine out, ammo in its original container, with any knives or tools that can be considered dangerous all in one locked rifle box. Only one time that wasn't good enough, and they made me dispose of the ammo in their trash can.
Sometimes they inspect the rifle box themselves, sometimes they just make me put a slip in it and lock it back up.
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Old 01-07-2017, 05:53 AM
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This is true ^^^^^. While I have traveled to a hunt needing to have my rifle in a locked case and my ammo in another checked bag unlocked, my Buddy going on the same hunt and traveling from another location was told to put his ammo inside the same locked case as his rifle.

I have typically stored my ammo in a second checked bag.

They seem to take issue at times with ammunition not packed in factory boxes. One made comment about some reloads I was traveling with, but allowed them to stay in the checked bag after he looked at them and taped the plastic container shut.
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This occurred where, as a majority of these events do, in an area where the average person cannot be armed.

As noted by previous posters, US Airport security does not seem to accommodate an immediate response at the level a European airport would, I.E., the presence of adequately armed police.
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Old 01-07-2017, 09:45 AM
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I am reading he did not check his firearm but smuggled it past TSA. Is anyone else seeing this?
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I am reading he did not check his firearm but smuggled it past TSA. Is anyone else seeing this?
I've heard that, but have not seen it reported as such this morning. I'd hate to think that some news agencies would prefer folks to think it was done properly, thus making it seem like changes are needed?
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There's always someone who is the last to know. The new rules, which I had to follow in 2012, going to Africa, are two different cases. I used an Aluminum hard case, ( Cabelas ), with a real padlock on it. They also put red tape on it. Then secondly, I put a Staples tin cash box, ( cheapo ), with my ammo, ( 5kg total weight, incl. the box ), into my checked luggage, which also received another red tape. The ammo box and my checked luggage only had the dumb TSA approved itsy bitsy padlocks. On the way home, I picked up a liter bottle of Gentleman Jack, which I had left in the overhead, by mistake. I had already sealed my luggage, but Delta Jo'berg had to check that my rifles were still in the case, so I placed the reclaimed bottle in the foam, with the firearms. At Atlanta, while clearing U.S. Customs, with my ICE forms for the two rifles, I asked and was allowed to change the bottle over to my checked suitcase, to prevent any leakages from ruining my gun stocks. My P.H. never even got to smell the cork on my Duty Free purchased ( Atlanta ), bottle of his Gentleman's Gentleman's, Gentleman Jack.
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Here's my real take on this attack. He used the same Islamic hand sign for "The One", that the nut who gunned down the Russian Ambassador in Turkey last week did. He may or may not, have gunned down his fellow passengers flying into Florida on his flight from Minneapolis. So he may have been sizing them up, while still in flight. No amount of ground security would have stopped him, when he had both a gun and three magazines full of cartridges ready to rumble. He was in the middle of a group of passengers, shooting outwards. Whatever went South, happened in Anchorage, AK., before he ever got onto his flight to Florida. It's a fine point, but he wasn't murdering Floridians, only the passengers, traveling through the airport, from Minneapolis.
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What actuallyhappened I have no knowledge of, BUT, when I fly to Slovenia from London Stansted, I check in and fill the forms. The ammo goes in my clothes bag in a suitable container and is labelled FIREARM. The rifle goes in it's custom case and again is locked and labelled FIREARM. It is then taken from the check in desk by me ..realise here I have just walked into the main area of an airport with a gun and ammo and I am now being allowed to walk the gun and ammo 40yrds down the hall to the large XRay machine and check office where both rifle and ammo are XRayed and hand checked, boxes ticked forms filled and they both then are out of my hands. When I return we are escorted to the red channel, customs officers make written notes of our rifles and numbers and we walk out into the public area with firearm and ammo. It is very difficult to see how the danger of someone being able as in the Florida case to open his case, load some ammo and start shooting. EVEN in UK airports I am pretty certain a half dozen if not more deaths would occur before the patrols arrived to neutralise the problem. We do have pairs walk the area with H&Ks but they are covering a very large area. I know back in the 80s I was involved at looking at such a scenario and even if we had a four man team in the hall, we came to the conclusion two of us might well die. Things have not changed a lot since then. Carpooler is absolutely right .. no amount of ground security could have prevented a large number of people getting killed .... he could choose the time and had the place. I think the fatalities were thankfully light as terrible as this incident is. Three ten shot mags in the hands of someone who was thinking straight could have easily seen thirty dead bodies in short order.
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I was advised that if I wanted to have a break in my flight to the R.S.A., I should book through Amsterdam, instead of any U.K. airport. Now its looking as if Emirates Air is the go to carrier, as Delta won't ship any animal trophies, back here. I'm glad that you can still make a go of it, from Stanstead.

If the incoming Admin. wants to lead the way, they can jump all over this Grand Clusterflubbie, and force many terminations, both in Florida, and in Alaska. Going on a Safari, with two long rifles, made a separate hard case an absolute necessity. But I saw another hunter in Joberg, with a second metal ammunition box, all covered with red tape, as he was packing along an extra 5 kg's of munitions. I didn't see inside his surplus ammo box, but I guessed that he had a second tin locked box, inside with the ammo. Otherwise that old Army Surplus steel ammo box would have soaked up almost all of his five kilogram's of total allowable weight.

O.T.O.H., Delta was the best carrier we took, last Summer, as for wheelchair assistance for my wife. Whether it was our transport chair, or her electric fold up, Travel Scoot, Delta really came through, right at the Jet Ramps. BAE was a joke, especially in Budapest, Hungary. Of course we had no weapons, and the baggage checkers still went nuts over our Travel Scoot's two Li Ion power batteries. X-Ray, Chem strips, and Radiation counters, at each and every check through. Part of this is that these Li Ion battery packs have to be carried with you inside the cabin, under your seats. So its not only firearms which sets off the alarm bells.

And in this latest Florida case, the Gun Free Zone B.S. probably didn't change anything. Something new, though, is that a friend flying into a fog shrouded airport, was told and checked by the stewardesses, to completely turn off any electronic devices, including I Phone's Airplane Mode. Anything at all can mess with the plane's avionics when they hand control of the bird, over to the automated ground control folks. Each passenger was physically checked to make sure that their every device was completely turned off.

Just one of my wife's Travel Scoot's 27 V. Li Ion power batteries, will propel her for a couple of miles. So a dedicated jammer that someone plugs in while landing in fog, could totally mess up the ground controllers. But the rogue passenger couldn't really know if that particular flight would be completely turned over to ground control at its end. So whether its a shoe bomber, or a pistol packing radical jihadi, you have got to keep them from getting onto the flight in the first place. El Al airline, is the master at this kind of preventive profiling.

I believe that this Florida incident will be a good test for the incoming Trump administration, to deep six all the P.C. nonsense.

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