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Old 11-05-2012, 03:36 AM
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Personnal opinion on cleaners

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I've tried numbers of different barrel cleaners and about the best do it all cleaners I've tried so far is Deaton's Deep Clean. I've been trying that at the range during barrel break in while the barrel is still warm and it does a very good job. I also turns blue from copper so it gives you a visual indicator for the copper. It would probably do better with plastic jag because it does get some blue from the jag. Another one that works good is Blue Wonder, but I think the DDC works a little better. I also do not use a wire brush, as they say to on the bottle, but I've been using it to clean after every shot or every three shots.

I still find KG1 and KG12 to be the fastest. On heavier copper build up, I still find it was much quicker to use the KG12. It will take the copper out in short time compared to any of the all in one cleaners I've tried. The KG12 will not give a visual indicator that it's working so you do have to look in the barrel to make sure the copper is gone.

When I get home, I still use the KG1 and KG12 but I find there is very little carbon build up after cleaning with the DDC at the range. Blue Wonder also does a very good job but I seem to keep going back to the DDC, it just seems to do a little better.

The last two barrels I've broken in required very little cleaning when I got home using the DDC at the range to clean with during break-in.

I still have not found a cleaner that will remove hard carbon build up in the throat after a lot of rounds have been down the barrel and not reqularly cleaned while shooting. The only thing I've found that gets that stuff out is a lot of work, brass brushes, felt rolls and some of the abrassive cleaners, which you have to be very carefull with.

Let me also say, I'm not associated with or promoting any of these products, they are just the ones I've used and think work the best of the numbers of different products I've tried.

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Old 11-07-2012, 06:41 AM
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Might be real good but its over priced.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:09 AM
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On Nick's recommendation, I got some Gunzilla and also two of the Bore-Tech products. Both the Gunzilla and Bore Tech's "Rimfire Blend" are fantastic at cleaning up .22s and handguns that have been used for cast bullet shooting. Seems like a couple of wet patches, and .... I'm done. Very anti-climatic!

My old bottles of Hoppe's and Butch's may not get used again, unless I run out of the newer stuff.

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Old 11-07-2012, 07:08 PM
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Some good new non-toxic CLPs out there, Gunzilla and Frog Lube. Both seem to be fantastic and then there is always the original non-toxic CLP, Ballistol. I am using all three with no clear favorite.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:19 PM
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At some point, you should consider a powder change; unless you enjoy the hard carbon wars.
In my 308, shooting 748, I've never found it, and don't have copper issues.
Other than a few squirts of Mpro7 & a single pass of the bore snake, every few hundred rounds; I don't clean my bores anymore.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:36 PM
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Gunzilla now for couple yers. Just bought another, larger bottle, so I guess it will be the one for a while.

I did get some Ezzox and will try that on a couple guns, exclusively.
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:47 PM
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Gunzilla is my go to for almost everything now.
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Old 06-30-2013, 11:06 PM
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The best stuff...

The best stuff available used to be GM's Top Engine Cleaner. It's basically bore cleaner without all the advertising. I think I paid something like six bucks for a pint bottle of it. Sadly, it is no longer to be had. Gone forever. So now, the cleaner of choice is good ol' Number 9. And lots of elbow grease. Lots of that. I also use Tipton's Truly Remarkable Copper Solvent. This stuff is really good. It's very strong on the ammonia smell, so you know it's working. Lots of elbow grease is applied when using this stuff, too. And lots of patches get used up. Lots of 'em. Then I have a beer or two and agonize over the day's targets...
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Old 07-01-2013, 02:02 PM
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Too bad we dont get some warning when these good prods are about to disappear..

Ive had a couple like that in the past 20 yrs.
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Old 08-11-2013, 10:31 AM
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For a few years now I've been using Wipe-Out Foam Spray, no ammonia, no smell, can leave it for extended periods if you need too, gets out copper, lead, plastic, powder residue. It's brushless and has a lubricant that will protect the barrel and you don't need to run oil patches through the barrel before puting the gun up. A little attachment for 3 bucks makes it easy to spray right down the barrel and for me I'll never use another bore cleaner because it's so easy and works so good !
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Old 08-11-2013, 10:40 AM
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Wipe Out foaming bore cleaner for everything shooting copper jackets, then Shooter's Choice for 22's and revolvers shooting cast bullets. Like Mike I still have some Hoppe's #9 and some Sweet's. Saving that for the Apocalypse.

For black powder, you still can't beat Dawn dish soap in boiling water, then Hoppe's #9 Black Powder Solvent.

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Old 08-14-2013, 09:06 AM
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Well, I haven't tried them all but this is my current inventory of what I have tried, plus a couple different formulas of Ed's Red and a couple other homebrew's and a number of different one's that I threw away, so there are no containers to show them. For what I have tried so far, I still keep going back to the Deaton's Deep Clean (DDC). It works faster and better than anything I've tried, and the more I seem to use it, the easier the barrel is to clean. I just fired approx 100 rounds through my 223 and it didn't take 10 minutes to clean and very little effort, and that includes the throat, I checked it with the borescope. I should also say, I run a patch with Zip 2000 gun lube through it after I clean, even though DDC says there's no need to.

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Old 08-17-2013, 09:32 AM
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I think I missed this, or don't remember over time...

Is cleaning every 100 rounds just what you do, or is there a reason for it to be needed?

Everyone has a preference, can't find a fault in that. I have a gun that needs that schedule due to fouling and groups. The majority of my rifles don't loose accuracy anywhere near that quickly.

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Old 08-17-2013, 10:50 AM
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That's another one of those deals where I say to each his own. If it has been shot, I clean. If I shoot my rifle and don't plan to use it for a few days, I clean it, don't care if it was only one shot. The newer the barrel, the more often it gets cleaned. Now, to what extent I clean it is determined by how much it was shot but I will not leave a fouled barrel sitting for and extended time.
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:26 PM
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I just use Hoppe's #9 for cleaning and RemOil and Tetra Gun Grease for lube. My two semi-autos work fine with this stuff. I don't care to try them all, unless what I use doesn't work. I believe if people want to use products they can be sure of they need to find out what the military and police/FBI use because they do a lot of shooting. The way I look at it is if what I use works well for me at the range then I'm fine. After all, in a gun fight any one individual usually shoots from 1 to 5 rounds. I think any decent cleaner and lube will allow you to shoot enough if you need to use your gun. I have not met any gun owner yet who crawls thru mud, water, dirt and snow and fires fifty rounds after doing so. So use whatever you prefer and you will be fine. In the case of the military they need to really insure they have good cleaner/lube with the conditions and amount of rounds they fire. The CCW person --- just clean and lube and no problem.
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Old 08-24-2013, 09:20 PM
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BKeith, your assortment looks like my cleaning cabinet. I use Butches on everything for basic cleaning, and when I need to chip away at the copper, I use Sweets.

BTW, I see your tube of Iosso. That works for taking out the carbon ring when one allows it to accumulate.

Remember, when shooting long strings, copper and carbon overlap each other and may take several instances of switching back and forth between solvents. BE ADVISED- if you do go back and forth, be sure to neutralize the last solvent used before going to a new one. Mixing chemicals can cause disastrous affects. Rubbing Alcohol or CLP usually work good at neutralizing ammonias.

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Old 08-25-2013, 11:01 AM
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On a barrel that has had a number of rounds down it. I seal the chamber right at the neck, so the neck can soak also, fill the barrel with DDC, let it sit about 10 minutes, dump it back in the bottle, make a couple strokes with a bronze brush and some dry patches. Usually the barrel is spotless with just that one cleaning. No carbon or copper, and the throat is completely carbon free. I make a couple strokes with one wet patch with DDC and then a coupe of dry just to make sure. If it's only been shot a few times, I just make a couple strokes with a DDC patch, let it sit five minutes and then dry patches. No strain, no pain. One time is usually all one needs.

Everybody has their own method, just like with most anything else. I've been doing this a long time and I'm just expressing MY Personal opinion on what I think works best from everything I've tried, that's all. I'm not trying to say what anyone else is doing is wright or wrong, and could really care less. At the same time, I don't need anyone trying to tell me what I'm doing is wright or wrong.
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