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As some of you may know, I no longer have my awesome 4 boat paddle Ruger set.

But I've always wanted a short barrel 300 Win Mag. I thought about just getting a Remington SPS Tactical in 308 and being done with it, but that's not really what I want.

I'm going to find me another 300 or maybe even a 338 M77 MKII stainless. Have it cut down to 18 or 20 inches and get a target crown put on it. Hogue stock with the full length bedding block. If it's a 300 I'll use 210 Bergers or 190 Match Kings, if a 338 I'll use 250 MK's. My rifles shot great with the 24" sporter barrels, so I'm assuming shorter lengths will just make it better by increasing rigidity.

The 338 WM is my favorite cartridge period, but I think for target work, shooting prone, etc, the 300 would be ideal. I could even use a 168 like 308 sniper rounds use, and just push it faster. I want to try one of those Lucid L5 scopes. They look amazing for the price. Google "shooting a mile for just over a grand". They were shooting 1760 yards with stock Savage 111 LR Hunters using the Lucid 5-25 L5 and Strelok app (which is great btw).

Any way, what do you guys think? Winner or a waste of time?

Oh yeah, could you ream a SPS Tactical out from 308 to 300 and single load it?

I know a 168 can be pushed to 3300+ from a 24" tube. Any guess on velocity from an 18 or 20? 3200 from a 20" sound right? 3125 or so for the 18"?
 
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Well, the "Mile under a grand" but isn't hard at all. I've posted a few threads where we've done that testing scopes. My re-barreled X7 cost me $500, and has a $239 Primary Arms FFP Mil/mil 4-14 scope. Shoot both a 308 and a Creedmoor to a mile. The cartridges aren't the hang-up for that distance.

The military snipers aren't shooting 168's, they use 175's in the 308.

Think it's MikeG who has a chart with action lengths, I don't think you will be able to single load through a short action; but am not sure about that without looking.
 
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. I could even use a 168 like 308 sniper rounds use, and just push it faster.
...... Right, the military uses a few different calibers for sniper rifles. The point was to correct your info on the 308, the Snipers shooting the 7.62 don't use 168gr bullets as you had stated; they shoot 175gr bullets in that ammo.
 
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Copy, thank you. May have a few actions to add to that for you.

Well technically I didn't state military snipers. Lol
Fair enough. At least around here those are the only folks I would grace with the term "sniper".;)
 
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A random side note on the 168's...
They may have all been changed, I really don't know that. Originally, they had a odd center of gravity Vs. center of pressure. Couple that with the 13° trail angle and certainly had a sexy BC, but it guaranteed they would not safely cross trans-sonic.
If that never got resolved, you may not be able to get as far as you wish; just a thought for you.

Personally I'm glad you like boomers, that way I don't have to shoot them:D
 
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Anyone know if a 308 will still do 1000yds from a 16.5 barrel?
Not sure I understand what you are asking?
Stay away from poor bullet tail angles, and it crosses trans-sonic as smooth as silk. Meaning you don't need to stay super-sonic, if that is the question?
 
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You seem to have divergent goals there, Tang. ;)

You want a gun that can shoot a mile, though you say you'll never do it. Why wouldn't you, if you built a gun capable of it? If you KNOW you're not going to shoot a mile, that 500 yards is the most you'll ever shoot, then build a rifle that will shoot 500 yards. My advice is to build a gun that will shoot a mile, and then go do it! :D

Cutting a 300 WM down to 18" or 20", you might as well get an '06 or maybe a 300WSM. Both will shoot 175gr SMK's to 500 yards with ease. If you REALLY want to have some fun with a rifle, get one chambered in the 300 NDM, the wildcat NVShooter came up with. It's a 375 Ruger case, sized down to '06 geometry, and makes what is essentially a beltless 308 Norma Mag. Any '06 rifle of modern design can be bored out to chamber it and you'll have something powerful and unique to shoot! And you're definitely unique!
 
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Yeah what do you really want to shoot? 190 to 210 grain .308 cal bullets? What is your goal with using the mag? Are you trying to get .30-06 velocities out of a short barrel? Big difference between 16.5 and 20" here IMO, so how short? Personally I don't think I'd go shorter than 20" in a .300 Win Mag. You could go to a .300 WSM with a 20" barrel and have even a shorter platform due to the short action. Lot of options. Even a .308 will do what you say you want. With range finders and modern optics, elevations is not a problem, it's the wind that gets you!
 
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It seems unclear if we are discussing hunting or target shooting.

Most of us limit our hunting shots to 300 or 400 yards.

I decided years ago that if I couldn't kill the animal with a 165 grain .308 Winchester (or a 30-06), and clean it with a 4" knife blade, I was in the wrong place. The rest seems like foolishness...

JERRY
 
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Hello there Tang, hows your new venture coming together ? Were you ever able to decide on a platform for shooting either 500yds or 1 mile ? I found your venture interesting so I've read all the threads up to this point. After reading your post I was doing my monthly walk through the pawn shops and came across a new mod700 .308 w/24" tube, it didn't appear to be fired and didn't smell like cleaning solution of any kind so it does appear to be unfired at this point. Being hunting seasons over I picked it up for a project to break up the boredom. I want to goof around with some loads and see what it will do at 500yds just for funzies, I don't long range hunt but don't see anything wrong with it if you plan it out correctly, build a rifle capable of doing the job and then practice religiously so that you're up to the task also. I'm just curious to see how much and accurate load at 100yds will spread out to at 500yds, in my rifle, in my hands, my aging eyes etc.. I'm planning to have my shooting buddy shoot it too so we can see the comparison in group size, maybe 2 groups of 5 shots each would give us the best idea. Give us an update, Let us know if you get this project up and running, I got alot of good advice from guys here on what I'm planning to do. Good luck on your project & Happy Holidays !
 
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