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Old 03-09-2017, 03:08 AM
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How about just dressing the stock engraving up a little bit? Some meticulous work with a wood burner, and I think it could be made to look better.

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What chu talkin bout willis?

By "stock engraving", are you talking about Bubbas name, or the checkering? Not sure what you mean by a wood burner, but am glad you didn't say belt sander.
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Bubbas name. It's already there, so just "embellish" it a little.
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Who the heck gives a kid the first name: Mersmann?? I'm guessing that's the first name unless he carved his name as he saw it in the phone book.
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Old 03-09-2017, 07:34 AM
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The internet makes research quick and easy. I have like new, 1935 Browning Superposed with a factory engraved in script name near a rear corner. A simple google search turned up a shooting club by that name in Switzerland at the time. Makes sense.
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Old 03-09-2017, 08:23 AM
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Since the gun is already damaged, it seems to me that no matter what you do, the gun is still damaged. The answer seems to be that either you leave it, and have ugly damage, or refinish it, and have nice looking damage. Since the gun is yours, please yourself.
Yes, that is pretty much the dilemma as I see it. For now I'll just enjoy working up loads and shooting it. I got some Hornady 25/35 brass and have been trying out 117 grain round nose, 87 grain spire point and 75 grain hollow points. Because of deep snow on the range I've only been shooting at 50 yards but have gotten a couple of groups under 1/2" and none over 1 1/2" at 50. I recently got ahold of some Sellier & Bellot 6.5X52R factory loads but the weather hasn't been good for shooting so I haven't tried them out.
Some more eye candy. This is a rifle I have for years longed to own but have settled for the Savage 219 30/30 as an affordable substitute. I finally decided that while I still can't really afford it I'm going to have it before I kick off.
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The internet makes research quick and easy. I have like new, 1935 Browning Superposed with a factory engraved in script name near a rear corner. A simple google search turned up a shooting club by that name in Switzerland at the time. Makes sense.
All I could find were last names of Mersmann, seems odd as a first name. Then again, I have 3 first names.
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Who the heck gives a kid the first name: Mersmann?? I'm guessing that's the first name unless he carved his name as he saw it in the phone book.
Yes, I was wondering about that as well. I posted on the German Gun Collectors site and was informed that "Beckum" is a town or region and "Mersmann" is a common last name in that area. Of course, that makes even less sense to have scratched into a gun stock.
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It kind of makes you wonder. Who was Herr Bubbaschmidt? He must have been drunk when he did that to the stock. Maybe an angry persons action... like keying a car? We'll never know.

It is a beautiful rifle though.
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all i could find were last names of mersmann, seems odd as a first name. Then again, i have 3 first names.
git more wood. :d
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It kind of makes you wonder. Who was Herr Bubbaschmidt? He must have been drunk when he did that to the stock. Maybe an angry persons action... like keying a car? We'll never know.

It is a beautiful rifle though.
"Bubbaschmidt" LMAO
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Try to wipe the varnish away with a cloth drenched in alcohol. Most likely it is shellac, with is soluble in alcohol. Alcohol also solves linseed oil.

Before you sand the cheek rest, I would suggest a wet cloth and a hot smoothing iron. The steam rises the dents and hopely most of the inscription.

Use abrasive paper only on the flat of the cheek rest. Finish the whole stock with just fine steel wool and linseed or alcanet linseed oil.

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Try to wipe the varnish away with a cloth drenched in alcohol. Most likely it is shellac, with is soluble in alcohol. Alcohol also solves linseed oil.

Before you sand the cheek rest, I would suggest a wet cloth and a hot smoothing iron. The steam rises the dents and hopely most of the inscription.

Use abrasive paper only on the flat of the cheek rest. Finish the whole stock with just fine steel wool and linseed or alcanet linseed oil.

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Thanks I will give that a try. For now I've decided not to decide. I've enjoyed shooting it and with the weather become more hospitable I will shoot a lot more. I want to really do a complete load work up with a variety of powders and bullets. It seems to shoot as sweet as it looks.
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Beware trying to take that gun apart unless you know trigger plate actions!

Coyote Joe-- That gun is not heat-treated for a lot of shooting and can become loose on the face in less that 200 rounds. The test is to take the fore-end off, hold the gun by the butt with the barrel hanging down. Gently wiggle it side to side and fore and aft. You can feel any looseness starting. Once started it accelerates fast. They gave that one every chance of outlasting you, though. That's a Kerstner top lock with double under bites, same as the 300 series Merkels.
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Beware trying to take that gun apart unless you know trigger plate actions!

Coyote Joe-- That gun is not heat-treated for a lot of shooting and can become loose on the face in less that 200 rounds. The test is to take the fore-end off, hold the gun by the butt with the barrel hanging down. Gently wiggle it side to side and fore and aft. You can feel any looseness starting. Once started it accelerates fast. They gave that one every chance of outlasting you, though. That's a Kerstner top lock with double under bites, same as the 300 series Merkels.
Thanks for the information, I guess this rife and I will wear out together. I've probably already put close to 200 rounds through it, still snaps shut and locks like a bank vault. I have already had to do a little work on it, removing the buttstock and trigger plate. As received the set trigger pull was truly a hair trigger and un-set the pull was under one pound. I'm accustomed to double set triggers on my muzzleloaders and know how they are adjusted but this one could not be adjusted any heavier and it was questionable even for bench rest shooting. I filed the hammer sear notch which got the unset pull up to three pounds and likewise reworked the triggers and got the set pull up to three ounces. I like the set trigger for range testing but will never set a trigger when hunting as I'm always a bit nervous so I like to have a good 3# trigger unset.

As a side note to anyone who's interested, I received a notice from Midway USA that they have the new Hornady FTX 25 caliber 110 grain bullets in stock
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I've seen some Schutzen type rifles that the cheek piece had been dished out originally.If you stopped the dished area at the edge, when you refinish it the edge would help hide some difference in the new/old finishes. Whatever you do, good luck. Paul
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Question Fyi

Have you considered changing your name?
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Have you considered changing your name?
Haha no, even if my name were "Mersmann Beckum" I'd still not want it crudely scratched into the stock.
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Might try to iron out the dents as well while you are in there, and try the iron and towel on the scratches. I had some luck on a gun using an iron to raise out scratches, still had to sand them away but I believe that by using an iron over a moist towel I was able to do less sanding over the scratches.

What kind of person carves their name into a cheek piece?

Completely agree on confining the repair to the cheek piece, if you try to do a full refinish you will end up with proud metal and leave the gun in worse shape.
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I recently acquired an old German stalking rifle by Franz Kettner. It is a thing of beauty both as to the engraving and the fit of metal to metal. It has a Kersten cross bolt whch locks into twin lugs extending from the barrel breech and fitting into recesses in the standing breech. When the action is closed the cross bolt and lugs fit so precisely as to be invisible. The stock wood shows some normal scratches and dings as are unavoidable in a hunting rifle which has seen years of actual use. There is however one very irritating flaw, the name "Mersmann Beckum" has been crudely scratched into the wood of the cheekpiece.
I am thinking that I can sand our the scratches and refinish the raised cheekpiece only. I would not even consider refinishing the whole buttstock. I realize it may be difficult to match the wood color but I have had some experience in staining gunstocks and am very tempted to give it a go.
What do you gentlemen think, would it be worth the effort or would I be compounding the damage by trying to fix it?
As a collector, you'll kill the value if you refinish it.

However if you're going to, do NOT sand. Get the black Baron from Brownells. It's a small "iron" for steaming out scratches and dents. I can walk you through it easily. I've saved more grungy stocks than I want to talk about including a very early and very screwed up M14 stock

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