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Old 09-06-2016, 09:01 AM
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Interesting. For as long as I can remember, shooting rabbits and squirrels with a rimfire was illegal in L.A. County. Of course, you might have been over the border in Kern County.
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Mike, now you have hit on the real answer. A double, with a 20 or 16 under a 222. Now that would be ok until you had a double jump up, so how about a drilling, double 16 and a suitable calibre slung underneath. Now , as we say here in the UK, that would be the 'bees knees'.
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SUS, any chain mail for dogs when you were growing up? Then all you gotta worry about is Fido drowning.
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SUS, any chain mail for dogs when you were growing up? Then all you gotta worry about is Fido drowning.
I have witnessed situations where dogs needed some protection from careless shooters. Those guns did not survive long in my syndicate. They had what we call here 'an early bath' a phrase related to a rugger player being sent off the field for the remainder of the game for a serious infringement.

When shooting over pointers you have to be very disciplined as red grouse rise without warning and can be very close to the dog or on the side away from your position. Had one experience when my friend cast her old English pointer away down the side of the wind which was blowing from our rear. The dog went about 900yrds and turned into the wind, then zig zagged back towards us with no commands, when about 200yrds away it went on solid point and I knew from the way the dog lay down in the heather there was a grouse very close. I and another gun walked quickly with the handler and on approaching the dog we spread out a few yards either side. Liz my friend the handler, lifted her hand in front of her and the dog rose on its feet still rigid. Two grouse burst about a yard from it's nose. One came my way and the other to my colleague, we both shot as one and both grouse dropped.
The Keeper who was following us said " It doesn't get much better than that" and no truer word was spoken. youtube "Shooting walked up grouse" Field Sports Channel, same handler young dogs. If you watch it, note how she walks up slowly and places her hand on the dogs back, eventually she will not have to do this, it is just this dog is young and still learning.
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can you say , Gemteck....
I would rather say Silencerco!! Not exactly a holster friendly rig but quiet enough that the action cycling is louder than the report.

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Old 09-07-2016, 04:51 AM
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Well, this thread has developed to encompass a variety of subjects, some near and dear to me.

1. Coyote protection: while a handgun could be an answer, simply carrying a few #4 buckshot loads (patterned of course) might be the simplest idea. Deadly past 50yrds. Adequate power in a handgun can be had with any of the smaller centerfire cartridges, such as 30 carbine, 327 fed, 357. Traditional platforms such as the Blackhawk, s&w 686, will provide excellent accuracy.

2. Dogs running coyotes cannot be tolerated, from many standpoints. Actually catching a coyote, and being exposed to deadly diseases, and eventually your family, should not be tolerated. I have found dogs respond to E collars very good, and frankly, a dog conditioned to the collar will rarely need to be nicked .

3. Partners shooting "too" close to a well trained, and thus VALUABLE, dog, should also not be tolerated. Again, a well timed "nick" from an E collar should deter this behavior. The trick, of course, is getting those hunting partners to wear the aforementioned collar. Humans are a suspicious bunch!
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NOT an E collar fan!

Well trained dogs have been around much longer than E collars, & with some more gentle breeds (Brittany's) they are not recommended. (by some) How often have you seen an owner zap a dog that did nothing wrong ( the fault lied with the owner) & it actually confused / did more unlearning & harm then good. If you have to use them, you have to & I like the ability to locate dogs with them for certain types of hunting. A dog that roams too far & pushes birds ahead of them out of your range is worse than useless. A good bird dog can hold/herd birds until you get in range & only flush them when commanded to. Smart dogs may only behave when wearing the collar & they quickly learn when a fake collar is used.

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Frankly, dude, I agree. However, because of guns being present, I aim to assure as safe a situation as possible. Iften, I am in a social situation, such as a large goose spread, with as many as 500 dekes, 8-10 guns, and 6 dogs. Creating a "non-slip" retriever is nearly impossible...but through the use of collars we are closer. Multiple guns, multiple dogs require strict training, for the dogs...and the worst variable, well meaning but poorly trained humans.

We will have to "agree to disagree" on this topic.
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There is little doubt that e collars have been misused and abused. Here in the Uk there is a move to ban them.
Used correctly for example to de snake a dog OR to deter a particularly hard headed dog from doing wrong OR for excessive barking they can come in handy as long as in the right hands. Unfortunately dog owners incapable in the first place have fallen back on these collars to try and cover their inadequacies. A friend of mine had a e collar with a beeper he used to turn his GSP. He never ever stung the dog. As a puppy he used a long lead and when he wanted the dog to turn he stopped it with the lead and beeped the collar. In no short time that dog responded without the leash. IT drove me mad because every now and then in the wood I would hear this BEEP BEEP!!
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Used correctly!!!

Nailed it SUS. In the right hands a useful tool, in the wrong hands. TEHO. Me and my buddy who used them took a turn shocking each other before the dogs, just to experience what they were in for. We are getting our new ankle biter micro chipped tomorrow. (they were supposed to do it when he was under, being neutered) Now he's getting the big needle while fully awake! I'm 30 times his weight & wouldn't want to get stuck with that gauge needle. If they had a gps chip I'd get one of those too.
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I would rather say Silencerco!! Not exactly a holster friendly rig but quiet enough that the action cycling is louder than the report.


I think what you really meant to say was surefire...

That does look awfully fun. Still waiting on my stamps for my new rimfires suppressor and .30 cal rifle can. I'm over 4 months in on the wait. My dealer is nice and I've played with them a couple times as well as a friend who has a couple already in his possession. I got the surefire Ryder .22 cause it was he lightest weight one I could find. It doesn't even feel like it's on the end of my .22/45lite. Not capable of full auto or magnum rimfires. It's .22lr only

Other sad part is, I still might not get them for up to another 3 months or so.
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"That is a tall order. 200 yards on a yote would be tough for any handgun."
copied from first page....

and with a rifled slug even more so.

It ems that those methods would be 'offensive' and if you wanted to save your dog you should be thinking defensive--inside 25 or 30 yards. I know every one is shooting deer/elk at 4-6 hundred yards but I don't think you should worry about the coyotes at 200+ yards.

If the dog is heeled your bird gun should be adequate.
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I've hunted over all kinds of dogs, but the absolute best and worst of them has been the short hair pointer. They're the best because nothing seems to escape their keen eye sight and nose, they hold a point with such beauty and discipline, and they're just so personable.

OTOH, short hair pointers will chase just about any animal into the next county if they're not collard with a good strong jolt. I've had some really, really bad experiences with my short hairs. On more than one occasion I've stood for the better part of an hour waiting for an un-collard one to return after running down deer, elk, oryx or what ever they happened smell or see. I had one return with porcupine quills all over his face.

As far as shooting at coyotes and other undesirable animals that might threaten a dog I'd never consider attempting to shoot for fear of unintentionally hitting my dogs. This is especially a concern when you have a dog that's running wildly after said animal or possibly tangled up with it. If I were you I'd just invest in a shock collar, I have yet to encounter a dog that can beat a good shock collar.

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I have two handguns that I use for coyotes; originally I carried a 10" Contender in .30 Herrett in either a hip holster or a chest holster, then a 7 1/2" Ruger Blackhawk in .30 Carbine, in the same chest holster.




I have a 10.5" AR pistol in .223 that I have carried some but have yet to take a coyote with it, however I am sure that it is up to the task, with or without scope.

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I wonder if some of the respondents have ever hunted wild birds or, some of them have even read the OP. The poster wanted something that:

D. Not be outrageously heavy or bulky: not in the way of my shotgun but easily accessed, too.
My dog and I will be hunting chucker partridge.


The idea of carrying an extra long gun, along with bird vest, shells, water, birds (?), dog first aid kit, etc. is the very epitome of stupidity! If you have a spare hand, you usually need it for climbing! And the birds don't wait for you to say "ready, set, go!"

For those of you who're unfamiliar, chucker is a medium-small game bird that favors rocky and steep mountains and sagebrush. The steeper and rockier, the better they like it. They require little water. They were imported from southwest Asia (Pakistan and Afghanistan) in the 1960s and have made the intermountain west their home. They're now our premier game bird.
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91Carcano, have you checked and made sure of regulations regarding what you're looking to do? Everyone here seems to have their favorite solution and doesn't mind sharing it. But is there anything you need to work around?
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I think what you really meant to say was surefire...

That does look awfully fun. Still waiting on my stamps for my new rimfires suppressor and .30 cal rifle can. I'm over 4 months in on the wait. My dealer is nice and I've played with them a couple times as well as a friend who has a couple already in his possession. I got the surefire Ryder .22 cause it was he lightest weight one I could find. It doesn't even feel like it's on the end of my .22/45lite. Not capable of full auto or magnum rimfires. It's .22lr only

Other sad part is, I still might not get them for up to another 3 months or so.
That's a Silencerco Spectre 11, it's rated for 22 Hornet and 5.7 including all the rimfires.
I've shot it next to quite a few other suppressors, a couple significantly larger, none of them are as quiet, only one I've ever seen with no first round pop.
It weighs twice what yours does but at 6.8 oz it's still very light even on a P22.
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Just carry it unloaded. The trick with a single shot is just to have a couple rounds quickly accessible on a wrist carrier or something similar. They can be loaded and into action rather quickly. You're not gonna make an offhand snap shot at a coyote at 200 yrds with a handgun anyway. Plenty of time to load while you're getting a rest to shoot.
Yer right, TC! I've carried it loaded for so long, it didn't occur to me to carry unloaded.
Back to my spiel about "common sense", once again, I asked the stupid question and learned something! What's more, this has been one of the most interesting and informative threads for some time.
I think what I'll do is sew a cartridge carrier to the outside of my holster. I usually wear the holster across my chest and that would make three or four cartridges really handy.
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91Carcano, have you checked and made sure of regulations regarding what you're looking to do? Everyone here seems to have their favorite solution and doesn't mind sharing it. But is there anything you need to work around?
I probably should get furbearers added to my license. If I got caught shooting a coyote in defense without a furbearer license, I think you'd have a hard time finding a LEO to arrest me, persuade the DA to prosecute me, or a judge to convict me. The likelihood of getting caught is somewhere between slim and none.
The national government frequently sends out shooters in helicopters to reduce the coyote population.
This region is thinly populated. It's 112 miles from Fallon (pop. 8600) to Austin (pop. 418), the next town on U.S. 50: "America's Loneliest Road". My voting precinct extends 62 miles east as the crow flies. There are three major mountain ranges (8,000-10,000 foot peaks) and a handful of smaller mountains in those 62 miles. There are two bar-cafes on U.S. 50, both former Pony Express changing stations, at one of which you can actually purchase gasoline. Maps also show two places on U.S. 50: Frenchman (wide spot in the road where Frenchman's Bar used to be) and Salt Wells (another wide spot where the Salt Wells Brothel used to be). Almost all this land is administered by the U.S. Government. Ranchers lease grazing allotments on most of it.
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I've hunted over all kinds of dogs, but the absolute best and worst of them has been the short hair pointer. They're the best because nothing seems to escape their keen eye sight and nose, they hold a point with such beauty and discipline, and they're just so personable.
You nailed it!

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OTOH, short hair pointers will chase just about any animal into the next county if they're not collard with a good strong jolt. I've had some really, really bad experiences with my short hairs. On more than one occasion I've stood for the better part of an hour waiting for an un-collard one to return after running down deer, elk, oryx or what ever they happened smell or see. I had one return with porcupine quills all over his face.
I've never had one that chased deer. Anything else that would run, though. Tried a shock collar on one but he wouldn't break off chasing a bunny even with it set to the highest setting.
Never had porcupine quills; did have skunk!

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As far as shooting at coyotes and other undesirable animals that might threaten a dog I'd never consider attempting to shoot for fear of unintentionally hitting my dogs. This is especially a concern when you have a dog that's running wildly after said animal or possibly tangled up with it. If I were you I'd just invest in a shock collar, I have yet to encounter a dog that can beat a good shock collar.

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