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Old 01-03-2017, 04:57 AM
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I couldn't find another forum to post this in so I hope this is the right one. I'm going to be getting my CCW in the State of Colorado in late March. Once I get my permit I'll need a gun. I already own a Walther P22 but I have been told that this will not cut it for defense purposes for many reasons including but not limited to:

Un-reliability
No stopping power
I can get sued due to injury if I shoot someone with a .22

I found a 9mm gun that I like (S & W Shield W/ Crimson Trace Laser Guard) but again thinking of it from a cost perspective I already own a handgun. I'm really not sure what to do here and why.

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Old 01-03-2017, 05:13 AM
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You'll get lots of advice here on this subject. As to the M&P Shield, I own and carry one in .40 S &W and find it a good choice for me. The attached laser on the one you mention is a plus as long as you find a comfortable carry holster.

In cooler weather I favor a special made T shirt with elastic pouches sewn in to enable an under arm carry on either side; gun on one side, additional magazine in the other.

I also carry a smaller gun at times, a M & P Bodyguard in .380. This gun would be another to consider for you, being a significant step up from a .22 or .25 when stoked with proper ammo.

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Old 01-03-2017, 05:18 AM
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You'll likely get lots of different answers. If I were in your shoes I would probably seek out a good training company in the area and seek out some training. While there I'd get a feel for different auto pistols and find a pistol cartridge combo that suits me. What fits one mans hand won't always fit another's. My own personal auto pistol choices are the Beretta 92, 9mm and the Walther ppk, .380 for every day use.
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Old 01-03-2017, 05:44 AM
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Those who have advised you that the .22LR is not an adequate caliber for self-defense are right. The 9mm Luger is the smallest caliber that I carry. It's been around for a long time and with good bullet placement, will do the job in most cases. Talking assailant not wearing body armor here. It's been the official handgun caliber of numerous armies and law enforcement the world over. While others may argue otherwise, I think you've made a decent choice in ammunition for a CCW. S&W is another good choice. They've been around forever and have earned the reputation of a manufacturer of excellent firearms.
As with all handguns, practice makes perfect. If you do purchase that S&W, take it to the range and practice with it regularly. A carry pistol is not something to be left in a nightstand.

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Old 01-03-2017, 05:48 AM
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Question One is none!

A S&W J frame is a classic for good reason. Many/most CC-ers will end up with multiple guns to cover different temps/dress/personal preference. The one you have with you is ALWAYS better than the 1 left home because it is too big/heavy/hard to conceal. If you could ALWAYS carry a full size, congrats.
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Old 01-03-2017, 05:51 AM
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If you can rent guns at an indoor shooting range that might help you with your decision. I carry a M&P Shield in 40 cal most of the time but also a Taurus 85 snubby in 38 spec sometimes. And yes for me a 9mm would be the minimum I would want to use YMMV.
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Old 01-03-2017, 06:27 AM
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"I can get sued due to injury if I shoot someone with a .22" laughable.

If you shoot someone illegally or negligently, with a 45 you can get sued; but the damages, like the wound, will be larger.

The 22 is fine, and is easy to carry. Sure a higher energy weapon could be preferred. but start with your Walther P22. As said a small handgun is better than a big bulky gun that is 'in the sock drawer'.

You should probably go with a 32 auto or a 380, after you are comfortable with the 22. these are powerful enough and shoot and carry well. 40 and 45s are poor for CCW unless you have spent many hundreds of rounds shooting them, not your present condition.
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Old 01-03-2017, 08:29 AM
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I think Colorado does a shooting test for their carry permit and I believe it decides the caliber of handgun you can carry. If so, I don't think they allow .22lr. Here in NM you can carry one, but you must use at least a .380 or maybe it was .32 Auto to qualify. Honestly I wouldn't trust my life to a .22 pistol. I've had too many malfunctions with every .22 I've owned to trust them. A nice mid size or compact 9mm is the way to go. .40 S&W and .45 are good cartridges but honestly if you don't shoot much and don't have a lot of experience. The 9mm will shine.

The shield in 9mm is a good option. A small .38 special revolver is another good one. The Springfield XDS is a good one too. A Glock 43 is also nice.

There are lots of good options these days. I would stick with .380 Auto up for a self defense cartridge. Most companies are making nice 9mm pistols not much bigger than the .380's though so I don't have any .380's.

As to cost. It's a one time investment. If you are practicing as much as you should be, ammo will out cost the firearm in 2 or 3 years. How much is you life worth? Never cheap out on a self defense firearm. Buy from a reputable manufacturer and spend a little more money than you want to if you have to.
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Old 01-03-2017, 09:13 AM
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[QUOTE=Trent12;1445602]I think Colorado does a shooting test for their carry permit and I believe it decides the caliber of handgun you can carry. If so, I don't think they allow .22lr. Here in NM you can carry one, but you must use at least a .380 or maybe it was .32 Auto to qualify.

Inaccurate, false information, wrong. . For accurate information, call your sheriff's office and don't take " I think" information posted on the internet by someone from another state.
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Old 01-03-2017, 10:11 AM
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Welcome to the Forum

Glad to see you here and I hope you post often. I moved your post to the handguns section where it may get more attention. These folks have given advice and you will get various opinions. All the best...
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Old 01-03-2017, 11:24 AM
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I think Colorado does a shooting test for their carry permit and I believe it decides the caliber of handgun you can carry. If so, I don't think they allow .22lr. Here in NM you can carry one, but you must use at least a .380 or maybe it was .32 Auto to qualify.

Inaccurate, false information, wrong. . For accurate information, call your sheriff's office and don't take " I think" information posted on the internet by someone from another state.
Take a chill pill and calm down. Your reading comprehension is obviously fine so I don't get the problem? The words "I think" and "in New Mexico" should give even The dimmest of folks the idea not to take it as set in stone. Obviously they will tell him what he needs when he actually applies to get his permit.

The rules for getting a permit up in Colorado are actual quite soft or undefined from what I've just read on it. Here in NM and in Texas they have a lot more involved it seems. I've had permits from both states and they both involve mandatory shooting tests that also determine the caliber handgun you may carry. I believe Arizona may do the same? I'll find out soon enough as I plan to make a move there this year!


Colorado seems to just say "competency with a handgun" which has a lot of things included in it from LE service to military service/training. All the way down to just approval from a lisence holding firearm instructor. Nothing about caliber restrictions though from what I read. I don't know many instructors that would say proficiency with a rimfire pistol was suitable for self defense. I guess it would depend upon the individual.
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Old 01-03-2017, 11:44 AM
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The Walther P22 is a good choice for starting out. Not the most reliably lethal "stopper" out there, obviously, but by your post it seems you are relatively unfamiliar with firearms. So.... with the hopes that you WILL BE shooting and training with it, a 22LR is always a fine weapon for learning while still providing a degree of protection. Once you reach a level of competence and comfort with the handling and shooting of that 22, it's wise to move up in caliber, a minimum (in my opinion) being the 9MM and larger. It's my opinion that a very competent shooter can be lethal with even smaller calibers because of their familiarization, experience, and ability to be accurate, though even they will choose from the 9MM and up option for most carrys.

There's always the chance that a man who is not very familiar with pistols, yet buys a nice 9MM, .40 or .45, finds himself intimidated and then doesn't train and eventually doesn't carry. Then it stays at home in a drawer or safe where it's also fine but does no good while out and about with a CC permit in your wallet.
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I'm a newbie too (6 months), so I know where you're coming from. I went with a Glock 42 for my first carry gun, but I found it to be a bit small for my hand. Granted, the whole idea behind CC is that it needs to be small enough that others won't see it. I recently purchased a Bersa Thunder 380. It's wider at the grips and is just a little longer than the 42. I love it. The magazine holds 8 rounds plus one in the chamber. It has low recoil, fires double and single action, and the safety acts as a decocker, which has eased my mind about walking around with a loaded chamber. It's easy to shoot, is accurate, and wasn't all that expensive at $289. For now I have gone with Hornady's 90 grain XTP for a carry round, but I practice with either Armscor FMJ or Winchester white box FMJ. If you decide to get one, lemme know so I can send Bersa the bill for my commission!
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Wife had a Bersa 380 for a while. After several misfeeds, we switched to the Glock (she has smaller hands). Overall, the Bersa is a good gun, surprisingly so. Also, you can get a 22 and a 380 for the price of a Glock.
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Welcome to the board !

FWIW, I would no more advise someone else on choosing a firearm than I'd advise them about who they should be friends with........................

IMO, the best advice given above is to get some training, where you can shoot various handguns comfortably & accurately under sudden/stressful conditions, to determine what's best for YOU, before making a choice based on a gun's cosmetic appearance.


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Good Morning,

I couldn't find another forum to post this in so I hope this is the right one. I'm going to be getting my CCW in the State of Colorado in late March. Once I get my permit I'll need a gun. I already own a Walther P22 but I have been told that this will not cut it for defense purposes for many reasons including but not limited to:

Un-reliability
No stopping power
I can get sued due to injury if I shoot someone with a .22

I found a 9mm gun that I like (S & W Shield W/ Crimson Trace Laser Guard) but again thinking of it from a cost perspective I already own a handgun. I'm really not sure what to do here and why.

Rich
If you like the feel of the P-22, get it's big brother. The Walther CCP I have one and it's an excellent pistol. Even the Glockiphile's I know love the feel and shoot ability of the gun.

Another excellent gun, and designed for DEEP cover carry with NO sharp edges is the Ruger LC9s.


Here they are side by side. I carry the ruger in warmer weather because is hides without a holster, and Carry the CCP IWB when it cools down.

Both are very trim and slim, unlike the blockier guns out there at are sold a CCW.

In all honesty, you won't find a more comfortable gun to hold and shoot the a Walther. they spend a ridiculous amount of money and time getting the ergonomics correct.
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Old 01-04-2017, 12:11 PM
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There are many choices out there. but for an all out concealable pocket gun, I'd recommend the new LCP II or Kahr CM380.

For a step-up in firepower, I'd recommend a LC9s or LC9s pro or Kahr CM 9...as affordable coat-pocket guns or inside the waist band guns. The new LC9s Pro is very shoot-able and affordable with a lifetime guarantee.

I have LC9s Pro, CM9 and regular LCP with trigger kit ...love them all. The newer LCP II has to be better for easy pocket carry. LCP 9s Pro or LCP II...that's the ticket!
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Old 01-04-2017, 12:14 PM
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When I'm being charged by a 400 lb muscle bound drugged up assailant, I feel comfortable with a .500 cal S&W which I believe not only has enough energy to stop him but to send the body across the street as well. Of course you won't be able to hear for the next two months. However in most unexpected circumstances, a .22LR is fine. It becomes even finer when with no recoil my little Ruger has emptied 10 rounds into that unappreciated advance. I think the agony caused by the 10 will stop most human beings. Of course if you're smart you will only put 9 in the body and save the last for a final head shot.
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