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Old 01-10-2017, 07:33 AM
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So I now find myself with a Model 29 with a 6" barrel, a late wedding gift from an aging uncle
It will fill the role of primary HD pistol since it shoots a more "authoritative" round than my .38.
The round I'm looking to load would be warm .44 Spl. load in a .44 mag case (I picked up 250 pieces of primed Federal brass, along with a pound of Unique) driving a 245g Keith SWC.
I think this would make for a more man-stopper load than the .38 spl SWC out of a 1-7/8" barrel, but I thought I should ask here first for some advice.

One thing that I'm concerned about is I'll have to hand load for this gun. I've yet to find any commercial .44 mag loads that aren't overkill and buying range ammo for it would put us in the poor house. So I have to hand load. I do have a press and dies a 2-cavity Lyman mold and a bucket of wheel weights I've already smelted and cast into muffin pan ingots.

Thoughts? Suggestions? Issues I need to worry about?
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:06 AM
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Speer has a 200 gr Golt Dot load for the 44 Magnum at self defense speeds. There is also a 44 Special 200 gr Gold Dot load. CorBon also has some self defense loads with less recoil.

I would use a minimum load of Unique with the 245 gr Keith bullet for self defense. Even at the lower velocity, that bullet should come out so be careful of your backstop.

I would just use the Speer or CorBon self defense loads.
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Old 01-10-2017, 09:02 AM
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Mdl 29 for s/d?

Both the 29 & 640 are excellent guns. Unless you are expecting a whole gang of attackers I'd think the problem would be over one way or the other before running out of ammo was the issue. I would not leave the shotgun out as part of your s/d plans. How many feet wall to wall in your largest room? A large flat meplat in the 38 & pretty much anything in the 44 special sounds good. You would still have to put them in the right spot regardless of gun/caliber/bullet. $ being an issue kinda rules out corbons or most any quality store bought, unless you only buy a few & practice with the handloads. I tend to vote for practice with what you intend to use & use what you practiced with.
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Old 01-10-2017, 09:19 AM
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Speer has a 200 gr Golt Dot load for the 44 Magnum at self defense speeds. There is also a 44 Special 200 gr Gold Dot load. CorBon also has some self defense loads with less recoil.

I would use a minimum load of Unique with the 245 gr Keith bullet for self defense. Even at the lower velocity, that bullet should come out so be careful of your backstop.

I would just use the Speer or CorBon self defense loads.
Thanks, but premium loads are nearly impossible to find locally and I won't be able to order on-line after 2018. While I could afford a box or two for HD I'd stil have to have range ammo in the 200 g wt. to have a consistent point of impact (at least that's what I've heard) and I've already got a 245 g. mold.
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Old 01-10-2017, 09:35 AM
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Both the 29 & 640 are excellent guns. Unless you are expecting a whole gang of attackers I'd think the problem would be over one way or the other before running out of ammo was the issue. I would not leave the shotgun out as part of your s/d plans. How many feet wall to wall in your largest room? A large flat meplat in the 38 & pretty much anything in the 44 special sounds good. You would still have to put them in the right spot regardless of gun/caliber/bullet. $ being an issue kinda rules out corbons or most any quality store bought, unless you only buy a few & practice with the handloads. I tend to vote for practice with what you intend to use & use what you practiced with.
That's what I'm thinking, so the next challenge is to come up with a .44 spl load that's good in a .44mag. case. 7g of Unique = 1,000 rds so if I add a brick of primers, that should set me up for a looong time.

30' is about the longest dimension inside our house.

I've got the free Alliant manual as well as the Hodgdon magazine for if and when I run out of Unique. I also have the past edition of the Lyman Cast Bullet book so I'll have plenty to do over the next few weeks at the borrow pit/range.
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Old 01-10-2017, 09:46 AM
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Fire that .44 magnum indoors without hearing protection... you will quickly decide to load it with .44 special. I'm speaking from experience at an indoor range on this one. You will be blind and deaf after the first shot. .44 magnum is my favorite handgun cartridge but it does not make a good home defense cartridge out of a revolver. Recoil, flash, and noise are just too great.

A 200gr gold dot .44 special load will be your best friend! Save the magnum for hunting and fun at the range.
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:00 AM
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Pretty much good advice. At different times, I've used 45 Colt, 45 auto, 45 AR, and 44 Spl (a 7.5" Ruger and a 4" Model 29) as house guns (All pretty much the same ballistically, or at least my loads were). Other than as deterrents, I've never had to fire them. But those big barrels sure scare people off!
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:25 AM
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Those shot loads chambered 44 mag might be considered for defending ones home. Don't need to fill the cylinder with them. The first one or two maybe. If the situation dictates a real bullet, can roll the cylinder a little.

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Old 01-10-2017, 10:58 AM
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I've had a six inch M29 for over 25 years, and pretty much settled on a 200 Nosler JHP and 13 grains of Unique. Consider it a 'semi-magnum' load - it's controllable (with enough practice), unlike full-house loads with heavier bullets. Accurate, shoots flat and cases seem to last pretty much indefinitely. Noise level is up there, but that happens whenever bullets go supersonic. You can load down, but that makes a much less useful field load.

I save the heavy 44 Mag loads for the carbine, where they're actually fun to shoot.
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Old 01-10-2017, 11:11 AM
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Fire that .44 magnum indoors without hearing protection... you will quickly decide to load it with .44 special. I'm speaking from experience at an indoor range on this one. You will be blind and deaf after the first shot. .44 magnum is my favorite handgun cartridge but it does not make a good home defense cartridge out of a revolver. Recoil, flash, and noise are just too great.

A 200gr gold dot .44 special load will be your best friend! Save the magnum for hunting and fun at the range.
True enough. Can't envision any adequate defence cartridge being anything but very unpleasant to fire in the confines of a dwelling. I consider hearing protection as vital as the firearm itself, and have electronic muffs handy. Something that doesn't impede hearing, but keeps your eardrums from being imploded.
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Old 01-10-2017, 12:29 PM
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Are there any problems loading .44 spl charges in .44 mag brass with Unique? How about 231 or Trailboss?
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Good idea

Those electronic ear muffs (Ryobi's 40$ at Loews) actually improve your hearing, while protecting them. By the time I wake up, get off my wrist splints, c-pap, tens unit, the house would be empty.
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Old 01-10-2017, 12:49 PM
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Those electronic ear muffs (Ryobi's 40$ at Loews) actually improve your hearing, while protecting them. By the time I wake up, get off my wrist splints, c-pap, tens unit, the house would be empty.
Race ya! Anytime!
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Old 01-10-2017, 01:30 PM
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Race ya

YOUR ON, anda one, anda two," gee hon ain't that a peach". The claymore mine in the doorway to my mancave should cover that. Anything outside the mancave is either insured or I don't give a ****.
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Old 01-10-2017, 01:35 PM
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In a HD situation, if you don't have the extra 5-10 seconds it takes to don hearing pro, you're already f___ed.

If I've got the time, I might just slip into my Level lV hard body armor, too...

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Old 01-10-2017, 01:49 PM
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To answer one of your questions, you can load 44spl in a mag case. Frankly, I don't even own any special cases. At present, for self defense, I'm shooting a 200 gr. Missouri Bullet co. fn and 6 grains. of trail boss. I have killed 4 deer with that bullet in sabot ML, so I have seen the damage/ penetration of that bullet. Pretty sure at 850 fps at in the house range it will....suffice.
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Old 01-10-2017, 01:52 PM
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Are there any problems loading .44 spl charges in .44 mag brass with Unique? How about 231 or Trailboss?
Absolutely none. The advantage of the .44M Revolver is you can load to any level from .44 Russian to .44 Magnum. Trail Boss, Bullseye, Unique, W231, W296. All in a .44M case. A case full of Trail Boss and a Hornady 180gr Cowboy Bullet is actually very accurate.

You can also stack a Speer shot capsule full of "T" lead shot, about 20 of them.
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Old 01-11-2017, 04:50 AM
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I'd be concerned with over-penetration shooting a .44 magnum indoors. Wouldn't want my bullet hitting others that I can't see on the other side of a wall. I'd also be concerned with the noise, Unlike "Dirty Harry"I already have tinnitus.
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Old 01-11-2017, 11:40 AM
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Are there any problems loading .44 spl charges in .44 mag brass with Unique? How about 231 or Trailboss?
A 44 special recipe in a 44 mag case DOES NOT make it a 44 special. The mag is a mag & a special is a special. Use load data (low end) from a manual for the 44 mag if that is the brass you have. If you later get some 44 special cases, use 44 special load recipes. Without looking it up, they very well may overlap, IDK.
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Old 01-11-2017, 01:39 PM
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A 44 special recipe in a 44 mag case DOES NOT make it a 44 special.
The extra case volume is a consideration. The same charge for a .44 Spcl, in a .44M case will produce lower pressures, and you need to consider/compensate for the difference.

Powders make a big difference. Faster propellants will respond to that 10% difference in case volume, and be fine. The slower powders will need some adjustments, on the plus side. Some slower powders will not, not, be suitable.

If you don't see the difference, use .44 Special brass for .44 load levels. If you grasp the difference, adjust accordingly.
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