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rojkoh . . . . .

I like the RCBS CaseMaster because it also measures case neck thickness and case wall thickness without any attachments. It is also very affordable and easy to use with this modification.
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The Case Master gauging tool quickly measures several important case and cartridge dimensions, including case neck concentricity, uniformity and thickness, as well as case length and bullet run-out. All are important to accuracy and safety.
This does not mean measuring case wall thickness.
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It also detects case head separation before symptoms are apparent on the outside of case.

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This does not mean measuring case wall thickness.
The RCBS CaseMaster tool does, in fact, measure neck wall thickness. Page 9 and 10 of the product instructions, available on the RCBS website, explain how.
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The RCBS CaseMaster tool does, in fact, measure neck wall thickness. Page 9 and 10 of the product instructions, available on the RCBS website, explain how.
Thanks Bill, couldn't find those. But I am septical until I try it and then cut the case to verify it. When I find one picture I'll do the thing for you and Opus

Edit: I am septical because I've seen things advertised like the Hornady which says it can correct TIR when that comment should be qualified. Won't with necks thick enough for gas guns and hybrid bullets are another problem

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Thanks Bill, couldn't find those. But I am septical until I try it and then cut the case to verify it. When I find one picture I'll do the thing for you and Opus

Edit: I am septical because I've seen things advertised like the Hornady which says it can correct TIR when that comment should be qualified. Won't with necks thick enough for gas guns and hybrid bullets are another problem
I think you should try to find some antibiotics
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Tool with great potential and it's affordable . . . .

The RCBS CaseMaster has been around for a long time, and it can do a lot more than just measure case run-out.


This shows how it measured neck thickness



This shows how it measures body thickness

This article http://www.larrywillis.com/RCBS%20casemaster3.jpg from my website explains the RCBS CaseMaster and how easy it is to make it an even better tool.
(I don't work for RCBS, and I don't sell their products.)

Dollar Bill . . . .
You could easily add this feature to the run-out gauge that you made.
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Thanks Bill, couldn't find those. But I am septical until I try it and then cut the case to verify it. When I find one picture I'll do the thing for you and Opus

Edit: I am septical because I've seen things advertised like the Hornady which says it can correct TIR when that comment should be qualified. Won't with necks thick enough for gas guns and hybrid bullets are another problem
Yeah, that "correcting TIR" claim entails bending the seated bullet to correct for a case/tooling deficiency. I haven't seen any objective evidence that it works but seem plenty that it doesn't!

Innovative, the basic idea looks sound, as long as you have a good "zero". I just use a tube micrometer but if you have to buy one, they are pretty spendy so the Hornady tool looks like a good substitute.
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Yeah, that "correcting TIR" claim entails bending the seated bullet to correct for a case/tooling deficiency. I haven't seen any objective evidence that it works but seem plenty that it doesn't!
It will under specific set of circumstances, trust me I've tried it.

Some of the benchrest shooters turn their necks down to .011, that does help especially with commercial brass. It gets tricky with the Hybrids because of the extent of the nearing surface. Have to stick to thickness for gas guns like .014 to .0145, forget it. Only thing I haven't tried on it, are lighter bullets. I've worked with 170 to 175s, because I haven't loaded any 168s lately.

Military brass, forget it.
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This article http://www.larrywillis.com/RCBS%20casemaster3.jpg from my website explains the RCBS CaseMaster and how easy it is to make it an even better tool.
(I don't work for RCBS, and I don't sell their products.)
No one here works for any company that I'm aware of. If I personally do anything, it's for old friends and it helps when getting to test stuff.

BTW you do sell stuff on your site which is in part advertising.
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rojkoh . . . .

The links to my website don't show any of the products that I sell. You would have to "drill down" into the website to find them. My goal is just to help fellow shooters, and I have stored a lot of handloading and shooting pictures on our site.

(If all goes as planned. I hope to retire in the next few weeks.)
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rojkoh . . . .

The links to my website don't show any of the products that I sell. You would have to "drill down" into the website to find them.
Took me about a minute.
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rojkoh . . . .

My goal is just to help fellow shooters,

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Do you still have that comparator you call a Digital head space gage?

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fguffey . . . .

Answering that would be considered advertising, and discussing it with you would probably result in a disagreeable exchange.
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fguffey . . . .

Answering that would be considered advertising, and discussing it with you would probably result in a disagreeable exchange.
The case does not have head space so I ask what is there to disagree about? You claim you are helping reloaders and I wonder how can that be when they do not know the difference between a case gage and a head space gage. Again, everything does not have head space and every gage is not a head space gage.

And then there is the Wilson case gage, it is not a drop in gage.

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Too bad some of the bigger/better gun shops dont have 'relaoding days. Co reps could come in and hawk their products.

Id like to by such a gauge, and other items, but have pretty well bought my last 'pig in a poke'.

Holsters are another area of interest but so many to chose from..

I believe RCBS has some utubes on operation/use of some of their products. Anyone know of such help for shooting 'stuff'.
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Too bad some of the bigger/better gun shops dont have 'relaoding days. Co reps could come in and hawk their products.
Sierra does hold reloading clinics, the attached picture is Bulletsmith Rich Macholtz teaching with a CoAx. Most reps these days tend to show up at big matches. Rich like many of us use the CoAx, because he wants precision ammo and understands the advantage of the CoAx for doing it.
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fguffey . . . .

Answering that would be considered advertising, and discussing it with you would probably result in a disagreeable exchange.
Larry, not a disagreeable exchange, you're simply missing the point. For ten years before the Internet, there was another net that cost 98% of the users nothing including the folks that ran BBS' so people could use it.

For forums like this, there's the cost of the software (Vbulletin in this case), the server and the ISP. So things like this cost money.

Now go out and find articles by Outdoors (whatever it is), and they publish a lot (including click bait articles for advertising revenue) and they do so, by supporting this forum.

So get together with MikeG and kick in a few bucks even as a supporter... ought to work out best for everyone involved.
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No need to advertise anything now . . . .

rojkoh . . . . .

After 40 years as a part time gunsmith and 18 of those years as a reloading equipment supplier, I am now ready to retire. If anyone is considering getting into any part of the firearms related industry - go for it. Do what you enjoy most, and you'll never feel like you are "going to work" each day.

I've met a lot of great people (shooters) from all over the world. Our inventory will soon be completely sold out. I will be going on a whole lot more hunting trips from now on. At this point, I have no need for advertising of any kind. Innovative Technologies started off as my hobby right after 1998. Our company began as a necessity, and it quickly turned into a full time business with 3 patented products and over 10,000 customers worldwide.

It's an easy decision to walk away from a good business after you have open-heart surgery and have a few younger family members pass away, you begin to see the important things more clearly. That's one thing we never think about when we're young . . . . . nobody lives forever.
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fguffey . . . .

Answering that would be considered advertising, and discussing it with you would probably result in a disagreeable exchange.
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Larry, not a disagreeable exchange, you're simply missing the point.
Reminds me of a Carlie Simon song that goes something like "you thought this song was about you".

From the beginning this had to do with the case not having head space and Larry calling a comparator a 'Digital head space gage'. At the time I believe there were only 3 of us that knew the difference. Larry did not do reloaders any favor by continuing to lead reloaders to believe ever thing had head space and every tool was a head space tool.

And one day out of curiosity I did a search on google, I searched the Wilson case gage and was taken straight to larries sight. There was a picture of the Wilson case gage and the name and there was Larry trying to sell his gages. I thought I had been hijacked so I contacted Wilson. In my opinion based on my experience the information about the Wilson case gage was neither fair or objective. So in my opinion Larry was more about helping himself than he was about helping reloaders/shooters.

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And I was in South Texas without a gage, the closest 244" long/tall gage was in Houston 150+ miles away so I made one, and I wonder if it is possible to make a 244" inch gage; how easy would it be to make a 4" long/tall gage.

I say long/tall because at the time there was a company called REA in the area. Seems a foreman instructed one of the linemen to measure a pole for replacement and he made the mistake of asking how long the pole was' so, the lineman cut the pole down to determine the length. Anyhow, those linemen made life interesting.

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