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Old 03-20-2017, 09:08 AM
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A Fosters co-ax press does not have a 7/8x14 thread in the top so it limits what you can do with it .
Also it lacks leverage not having a compound system that goes easily over centre and that limits it's forming and swaging ability and collet dies work better in an RCBS anyway .
Thanks for letting us know you know nothing about the CoAx. See the picture, that's a portable reloading bench I can take to the range. Rockchucker is used for nothing other than neck expansion and it's well over 40 years old.

Both take the same thread size, CoAx is easier to use on cases that are hard to resize, especially 7.62 cases run through an M60. Only dies I have that don't use the normal threading are for a press used for something else. If the US Army Marksmanship Training program uses a lot of CoAx presses, best endorsement you could get. It self indexes which removes concentricity issues I can change dies in about 2 seconds and the one on that bench has done about 10,000 cases in the past couple of years including those fired in an M60 which the Rockchucker is a pain to do it with.

Most people don't swage on the press, we have things like a swaging tool. Mine is the Dillon.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:12 AM
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:28 AM
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You're going to get many "opinions" of what members use, but very little factual reports. (Beware the "rabid" one manufacturer only, buy this "and don't look back" suggestions, and those that hate a specific manufacturer). I have been reloading, off and on, since 1969, and I have seen only one bad press (Smart Reloader I bought out of curiosity, which is truly junk). I've owned 6 single stage, one turret and one Co-Ax and every press has done it's job, and would have lasted me many years (3 Lee, two C-H, one Pacific, one Redding and one Forster, and not one was an RCBS).

I'd suggest you get a copy of The ABCs of Reloading. It'll tell you not only how to reload, but show what tools are needed. I always suggest K.I.S.S. to new reloaders as it will make the learning process much easier, like start with a single stage press with screw in dies, each step is learned individually and die adjustment is learned/practiced every time a die is changed. Read/research what you can on all the available presses, customer reviews are helpful, fondle a few if you can and figger out what suits your needs (just like any purchase, you're not locked into a single one for life. I don't have my first car, or gun, or hammer, as I have the freedom to get new stuff, just because.). Any modern single stage press, yes even a Lee press, will last you the rest of your reloading life if not abused, like a 3' cheater bar on the handle to size brass...
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Old 03-20-2017, 12:25 PM
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For what it's worth I bought my RCBS Rock Chucker the first year of production I believe 1966. I have loaded ten's of thousands of rounds on it & works today as good as when it came out of the box. There are also other quality brands available. Check to see what feathers are important to you. Ask as many questions as you feel are needed. The only dumb question is the one not asked. Hope this has been helpful.
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:23 PM
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As someone else has already mentioned, presses are threaded for 7/8x14 dies, so dies are interchangeable. Also, there are several "regulars on this site who've made reloading a significant part of their life. What this means is that there are people here who enjoy sharing their knowledge and experience reloading. The only thing that you have to be careful of is the basic fact that many issues are subjective, not objective; there are personal preferences, likes and dislikes simply because people have had different experiences with certain brands of equipment and, as a result, have different viewpoints.

One consideration regarding equipment is the warranty behind the product. I don't believe that anyone posting on these boards will disagree that RCBS has one of the best warranties bar none, in the business. Regardless of what happens or why, RCBS has a history of standing behind their product. Countless times I've heard stories about people breaking parts, contacting RCBS explaining that it was their fault and RCBS still sent out a replacement part for free.

My only suggestion regarding reloading is go slow and ask a lot of questions. This is not a hobby for those who like to cut corners. Mistakes can be deadly. Work on one load at a time and put away gunpowder, primers and others components not being used.

Lastly, remember that this is a hobby to be enjoyed. There are some people who enjoy reloading just as much if not more than shooting. If you don't find enjoyment in reloading it's simply not worth the time and/or effort. The amount of money saved in reloading is not worth the time if you don't enjoy what you're doing.
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Thanks for letting us know you know nothing about the CoAx. See the picture, that's a portable reloading bench I can take to the range. Rockchucker is used for nothing other than neck expansion and it's well over 40 years old.

Both take the same thread size, CoAx is easier to use on cases that are hard to resize, especially 7.62 cases run through an M60. Only dies I have that don't use the normal threading are for a press used for something else. If the US Army Marksmanship Training program uses a lot of CoAx presses, best endorsement you could get. It self indexes which removes concentricity issues I can change dies in about 2 seconds and the one on that bench has done about 10,000 cases in the past couple of years including those fired in an M60 which the Rockchucker is a pain to do it with.

Most people don't swage on the press, we have things like a swaging tool. Mine is the Dillon.
You make no sense there is no thread in the top of a co-ax , you say you also need an RCBS press , well the RCBS can do everything that the co-ax can do and more so how is it better ?
There is no way that a co-ax has more sizing leverage than a RCBS rock chucker , Redding O frame or Lyman O Crusher . that is just a plain LIE ? There is nothing wrong with choosing a Fosters co-ax if that's what you want and it suits your needs but it's not better than some others just different .

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Old 03-20-2017, 04:36 PM
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A Fosters co-ax press does not have a 7/8x14 thread in the top so it limits what you can do with it .
I use EVERYBODY'S dies in my Coax, orange, green, the two reds, blue, but I have to use COAX lock rings that I get from Larry for maybe $2 apiece. I reload for cartridges ranging from .222 Rem to 300RUM to 45-70. I have yet to find a cartridge it won't "accept".

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Also it lacks leverage not having a compound system that goes easily over centre and that limits it's forming and swaging ability and collet dies work better in an RCBS anyway .
1500-2,000 222's, 223's, .243's, 25-06's, 30-06's and 7amgs every year loaded with Lee collet dies would have to disagree, again with all due respect. It takes a fair amount of leverage to FLR a 300RUM, I have a Herters press that is part in parcel the same as an RCBS Rock Crusher, I'd not want to try 300RUM's in it.

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They do have fast die changing but the die sits on the lock ring only something I don't like and never will.
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A cute story about my youngest (then six years old) son and a friend of mine. Gary comes over with his NIB RCBS Rock Crusher and new 300WM dies for me to help him get set up. Gary is removing the FLR die after getting it tuned and starts installing the bullet seater die.

(Idle whistling)

My youngest (who has already been helping me reload for a while) asks Gary. "Do you like screwing?"

The entire house goes silent. Our wives are upstairs and all is quiet for what seems like an eternity and my youngest, unflinching, finishes by saying (and showing on the old COAX) "Dad's just slip in 'n out like this." Needless to say we had a captive audience for the remainder of our session and Gary never came back.

I was not disappointed.

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To add, there is nothing wrong with RCBS, Lee, Lyman (I have two) Herters (one) and the many other brands out there, you just have to know their limitations. Again, with all due respect.

No really I'm serious as a heart attack!!

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You're going to get many "opinions" of what members use, but very little factual reports. (Beware the "rabid" one manufacturer only, buy this "and don't look back" suggestions, and those that hate a specific manufacturer).
This is very true. I'm somewhat new to reloading, just passed 2 years. I went with a Hornady LNL AP against the popular recommendations on several sites. Most saying to not buy a progressive as a first press and most saying that if I am going to buy a progressive to get a Dillon. Reason I went straight to progressive is that I knew that's what I wanted and while a progressive can be used as a single stage, a single can't do progressive. The reason I went H instead of D is because at the price point of the Hornady I didn't like what I could buy from Dillon.

The only single stage I've used is the large Lee for doing .50BMG. It, as well as some others, have a different size thread even tho others here have said that all presses are the same 7/8-14. My Hornadies don't even have threads, but the collets used in them are standard 7/8-14. I also have an old Lee turret that I've only used for .25acp and have a Ponsness Warren for 12ga., I'm not a brand snob. While Lee isn't the best out there, It's about the cheapest and they're pretty good. I think Hornady is about the best for the price with a higher level of quality, but have only really paid attention to the AP and haven't researched their single stage which doesn't seem very popular.
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Arrow Boys, I think we need to change course a little.

OP didn't mention what firearms he's planning to load for.
E.G., I started reloading .38 Special for use in a .357 Magnum. That was kindergarten learning experience. But that was my handgun. My rifle was .22 Hornet.
Reloading the Hornet is more like a Master's thesis.
And my first press was a RCBS Jr. I still have it only because I don't want to saddle a newbie with it! However, it was adequate for the short cartridges and I didn't know any better then.
(For those who don't remember the Jr. press, it lacks compound leverage and has to be cantilevered out from the bench because the ram linkage hits the support under the bench top. The ram on mine is tweaked a little from sizing magnum cartridges. But it still does a good enough job popping and seating new primers for shooting wax out of my revolver in the garage.)
My brother, 13 years older, still reloads with his Classic Lee Loader. Difference of opinion makes horse racing!
SO, I recommend we aim our comments to helping Storm find the proper tools to do his job-at-hand.

edit to add: Storm, thar ain't no such thing as a "stupid question"!
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thanks for the feedback

I ordered a few more books on Amazon today. I am not in a rush and yes I do have a few sizes I will be reloading for. I did a cost assessment and I finally see the light that it is cheaper to reload and I need a hobby instead of sitting in front of my computer for 16 hours a day.

I am gonna start slow with 9mm Luger, .40 S&W, .45 Colt, then move up to .223, .270 Winchester, .308 Winchester & up to the big .338 Lapua Magnum.

So it is about time I start reloading.
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I am gonna start slow with 9mm Luger, .40 S&W, .45 Colt, then move up to .223, .270 Winchester, .308 Winchester & up to the big .338 Lapua Magnum.
Your idea of starting to reload pistol ammo and then moving up to loading a large magnum rifle caliber is good. The press you'll need at first won't be the one you'll need when you get to loading for your 338. A turret press is a blessing for stuffing pistol cases. The entry level Lee presses are easy to set up and use. They may be all you'll ever want. A Redding T7 is top of the line but cost twice as much as Lee's offerings. Lee also sells package deals with almost everything you need to get started. After loading thousands of pistol rounds on my single stage press I bought a Lee 1000 progressive and couldn't be happier. The Dillon presses, I'm told, are better.
Loading rifle cases is a different story. I started with a RCBS Jr. It was completely inadequate for the job. Bought a RCBS Rockchucker and it was wonderful how much easier it made full length resizing standard calibers. The big magnum cases were a different story. The Rockchucker didn't seem to like squeezing them back into shape. A Redding Ultra Mag press was the answer. It's still bolted to my bench and it's handled everything I've put in it with ease. I use two RCBS Partner presses, too. One to neck size cases and the other to seat bullets.
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You make no sense there is no thread in the top of a co-ax
One more time, you don't know the CoAx obviously.

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, you say you also need an RCBS press
Feel free to directly quote me on that, but you can't. Never said I need it, I've owned it since 72, it does NOT get used for reloading other than to expand necks.

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, well the RCBS can do everything that the co-ax can do and more so how is it better ?
Again, you have no concept of the CoAx. you obviously are limited in understandings things related to precision reloading like concentricity.

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There is no way that a co-ax has more sizing leverage than a RCBS rock chucker , Redding O frame or Lyman O Crusher . that is just a plain LIE ? There is nothing wrong with choosing a Fosters co-ax if that's what you want and it suits your needs but it's not better than some others just different .
Yea feel free to go to the nationals and tell the US Army Marksmanship Training program and some of the USMC Team (which includes snipers) why they're wrong. As much as I'd like to, can't call it Camp Perry anymore.
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Country, I must, with all due respect, disagree.



I use EVERYBODY'S dies in my Coax, orange, green, the two reds, blue, but I have to use COAX lock rings that I get from Larry for maybe $2 apiece. I reload for cartridges ranging from .222 Rem to 300RUM to 45-70. I have yet to find a cartridge it won't "accept".



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Wasting your time, he ignores the people using it including the military marksmen... he knows better! Right? (and why does the word Noob come to mind here)

Lots of fun stories of Camp Perry a few years ago, had one of my M1As sitting in a McMillan and they wanted to play with it since it was iron sights. Went out to lunch with a bunch of the guys from USAMTU, lots of laughs and GASP!!, they all use CoAxs.

Some of the UMSC team does too for their M14NMs and ARs

BTW did load some .338 Lapua on mine. What a gas, I love shooting my friends rifle. He's also the guy with all those Garands I load for, including 6 NM Garands (2 are 7.62x51 Military match barrels)

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I ordered a few more books on Amazon today. I am not in a rush and yes I do have a few sizes I will be reloading for. I did a cost assessment and I finally see the light that it is cheaper to reload and I need a hobby instead of sitting in front of my computer for 16 hours a day.

I am gonna start slow with 9mm Luger, .40 S&W, .45 Colt, then move up to .223, .270 Winchester, .308 Winchester & up to the big .338 Lapua Magnum.

So it is about time I start reloading.
On a serious note, decide what you want to load for. Pistol is easy, get a 550B Dillon if you're going to shoot a lot. You can load rifle on them too, however they're flawed for loading precision accuracy ammo.
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I'm glad to see the pissing match didn't drive off the OP.

For reasonable volumes of pistol ammo, the Lee Classic Turret is hard to beat. For rifle ammo, the RCBS Rockchucker is pretty much the gold standard. There are many other types of presses, and almost all of them work well.

I don't recommend the Dillon 550 series for new reloaders because they allow you to make a LOT of mistakes, at one time. Batch reloading with a LCT or single-stage press is simply a better way to learn how to reload.
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I'm glad to see the pissing match didn't drive off the OP.

For reasonable volumes of pistol ammo, the Lee Classic Turret is hard to beat. For rifle ammo, the RCBS Rockchucker is pretty much the gold standard. There are many other types of presses, and almost all of them work well.

I don't recommend the Dillon 550 series for new reloaders because they allow you to make a LOT of mistakes, at one time. Batch reloading with a LCT or single-stage press is simply a better way to learn how to reload.
I ride motorcycles, so I am in a few motorcycle forums and I have seen way bigger pissing matches. I knew I was gonna get ton of opinions and I welcome them all. The republican in me welcomes others opinions and then I decide what I want to do. I think I need to read more. I have been reading a ton online and I think I have a pretty good idea. I need the basic equipment and I don't need to go out and buy a full kit and the most expensive stuff. That would be like buying a fully loaded BMW when I would ride it to commute, what an epic waste of money.

So more reading and then buy over the this year. I spend a good deal in ammo each year and I need to start saving some money so I justify buying another gun.
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You're catching on real fast. There are all levels of reloaders here responding to your initial post so your analogy of buying a BMW as a commute bike shows that you understand that you DON'T need a super hi-tech reloading setup at this point for your initial needs. You may consider a bit better than a basic starter setup for future expansion if this fits in with your plans. You can always make changes to your setup as your needs change. Whatever fits your current needs will do until you want something bigger and better.
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