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Old 02-07-2017, 07:58 AM
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With today's bullets I think it's hard to go wrong, at least when it's deer. I just picked up a bunch of the Speer 150 RN's for my 300 Savage. My experience with them is they have tended to be less accurate than Hornady or Sierra but a few years ago they apparently had some issues with jacket concentrically. That said, more than accurate for MOD (minute of deer) and most makers have bullets I've had difficulty shooting accurately...Hornady IB, Swift Scirroco, X and XLC, Grand Slam, etc. I don't think I have with Sierra so for me, the first bullet I try is their Pro Hunter, if they don't shoot...its me or the rifle, not the bullet.

Our zones vary and are far different but statewide you can take two bucks (restrictions on antler size depending on area). Some zones you cannot take any antlerless other than with bow, but others allow up to five antlerless deer taken up to unlimited (CWD and TB zones).
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:02 AM
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I wish speer made a hot core in the 130gr range.
You might want to try a box of these. They were designed for reliable expansion at .30-30 speeds and they are an excellent bullet on deer.
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Old 02-07-2017, 09:43 AM
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Sorry, I did not mean to hijack the OP's thread.
Dimner, you can hijack my threads ALL DAY LONG with stuff like that! Good grief, man. Two deer in one sitting....TWICE? That's awesome enough. But for one of them to include that BEAST of a buck (awesome rack, and massive body)...which wasn't even the biggest BEAST in the bushes...sheez. And all with a bow. I've got 40+ years of pretty cool deer stories, but I don't have anything like that. Congratulations!

Oh...almost forgot:

Speer does make a 130-grain Hot Cor in the 308 diameter/caliber:

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Excellent bullet! I've used it in 30-30 and 30-06.

And they have this for 7.62x39:

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I haven't used that one.
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Old 02-07-2017, 03:57 PM
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Speer does make a 130-grain Hot Cor in the 308 diameter/caliber:

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Excellent bullet! I've used it in 30-30 and 30-06.
They also make that same flat nose in a 150 that's supposed to be excellent in the 300 Savage. Graf has a sale on them but I didn't order soon enough to get any before they were out.
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I totally get that you're kidding, but I wanted to comment, because it's a topic that has affected my reloading and shooting tremendously. I completely agree with your second comment, too, that using ammo I make myself adds an entire new and rewarding dimension to the process. Every animal my family and I have taken over the past many years has been with handloaded ammo.

The lone exception for a while was 45-70. I didn't think I would use my 45-70 much, so I didn't get dies or any of the components. I simply purchased a box or two of the Hornady LeverEvolution 325g FTX ammo and went on my way. However, two things happened: First, I started using the 45-70 as my main hunting gun. While I took some longer shots this season, for years I didn't shoot over about 75 yards and the short Handi-Rifle was just perfect - easy to carry and handle, and accurate enough. However, after a year or two shooting those Hornady "canon" bullets (325gr of pointy lead moving well over 2000fps) I got tired of the overkill. The recoil was tremendous, and it was just so much more than needed.

So a couple years ago I went to cast lead "boolits" over Trail Boss or Unique, slowed everything down, and now the old 45-70 does less damage than a 30-30...and NO recoil. My son is young is spunky, and he doesn't yet believe in "big and slow," so I loaded some jacketed for him. (he thinks they are full power, but they aren't. I'm not even sure I'm pushing them hard enough to expand, but .458 is a big hole, regardless, lol)
Yup, gone that route myself. Proper alloy and a 45LC Cast will take about anything in North America and doesn't need screaming super magnum velocity to do it. If anyone tells you that a 45-70 and lead isn't enough gun for any animal they are seriously not so bright and disregard anything they have to say on guns that follows.
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MS whitetails

Congratulations! Particularly impressive since you were hunting public lands where a lot of hunters take anything legal and don't allow the bucks to get some age on them. Good looking representative Mississippi whitetails. Seems you are not so far from my hunting grounds in Carroll County. I took 3 bucks in Carroll County this year, 2 with 35 Whelen and 250 grain Speer handloads at about 50 to 60 yards. Loads have about 2500 fps MVI took an 8 point with 7MM-08 and Nosler 120 grain BT handload at about 175 yards with loads at about 2700 fps MV. The performance of the 250 grain 35 Whelen pill is astonishing. I like Speer bullets but also use Nosler BTs and Partitions.

Regarding bag limits someone mentioned, I wish MS would reduce bag limit and season length to take some pressure off the deer and allow them to reach maturity.
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Well Hello neighbor!! And thanks for the kind words! I'm very proud of those two MS public land bucks, and you are exactly right that on public land there indeed is a prevailing attitude of "brown is down," and many 1.5 year olds are taken. I do think the antler restrictions have helped somewhat, but as you know MS doesn't have the resources to adequately enforce hunting laws, so as with most things of the sort it's still primarily an honor system. I was told by a GW that the state is 55 short of the goal of two GWs per county.

Carroll County...wow...(I won't tell everyone that you live and hunt in what was perhaps the most whitetail-rich area of the state...and therefore of the entire southeast, lol) One of my best friends grew up and still owns land outside of Holcomb, and I've hunted there many times. In fact, my son's first buck was taken there. If you go to the Mueller Optics website and look at the "customer pictures" page, you'll see my son with a buck from your neck of the woods - the far-right photo on the top row. Driving I55 anywhere from Batesville to Durant used to be a veritable obstacle course! Seriously, though, I've heard the number of deer seen has dropped significantly since the days I spent time there. FWIW, there is a movement afoot to reduce bag limits, especially on does. I don't know if shortening seasons is part of that.

You know, having hunted public land for many years, I've considered the impact of "brown is down" often, and I wonder if that attitude and practice doesn't actually serve to help bucks get older - at least in some situations. I know that suggestion sounds ridiculous at first, but I know for a fact that some public land hunters take the first legal deer they see - whether it be a doe or small buck - and then they either call it a season or hunt less. How many times has the larger buck you harvested been the 2nd or 3rd buck you saw that hunt? It happens often, in my experience. So by taking the small buck, the older buck lives. And where I hunt the best bucks simply aren't found in the most easily accessible places. That 10pt, for example, was a solid mile into the bottoms, and I walked. As it turns out, a 4 wheeler would almost certainly have ruined my chances. My point is that many public land hunters either won't do the work required to find the mature bucks, or they will only work hard until they get a deer of any size, then the motivation drops. Perhaps taking that younger buck allowed the older buck to live another year. I don't know, just a thought.
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