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Old 02-04-2017, 09:27 AM
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I've been advised that it is not a good idea to re-use steel cased cartridges. I shoot a lot of 7.63X39 and have recently been contemplating reloading since I live in California.

Does anybody have any advice on the subject?
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Old 02-04-2017, 10:18 AM
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Don't reload steel. Not worth it. It will wreck your reloading tools.

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Old 02-04-2017, 10:30 AM
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Wow ok, thanks for the advice
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Old 02-04-2017, 10:43 AM
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Loading Steel Cases.....

Thirty or so years a go the local club started one of the combat competitions. The rules were if the brass hit the ground such belonged to the club. One of the shooters decided this was unfair All handguns were self-loaders. He decided to take matters into his own hands. Very quietly, he assembled the gear and successfully made steel case reloads. The club was welcome to his "brass." He was fully aware of the problems of loading steel cases. The loading tools became expendable. Overall, this was an excellent non-confrontational way of making a point. It's already been stated that's hard on tools and not worth the effort-unless your brass had being ripped off. Be safe.

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Old 02-04-2017, 11:15 AM
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Steel is NOT a good material for cartridge cases and are only used in sloppy military arms. NO WAY would I use it in a nice rifle.
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Old 02-04-2017, 11:21 AM
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I've been advised that it is not a good idea to re-use steel cased cartridges. I shoot a lot of 7.63X39 and have recently been contemplating reloading since I live in California.

Does anybody have any advice on the subject?
Please Don't reload steel cased ammunition, as it can wreak your rifle. Besides most are Berdan primed not like our Boxer primed brass ammo.
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Old 02-04-2017, 12:04 PM
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The good news is that you live as close as possible to China (still in USA as of 2/4). Perhaps steel cased ammunition will still be on the list of stuff they trust you with?. Maybe black powder could work? No cases involved there.

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Most of the feedback here suggests to me that steel is out.

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Old 02-04-2017, 01:09 PM
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Steel Cases-just another heartache...

Get good Brass: Right, don't need to be fiddling with that steel stuff. Steel not being a good case material might be news to Germans and the Russians among others. In this instance my guy was reloading US GI Steel cases from WW2. The suggestions to get good brass is excellent. Don't try reloading steel is super good advice. There is nothing to gain, Didn't mean to confuse things. Best Safe.
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Old 02-04-2017, 01:54 PM
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All you have to do is consider the difference in mechanical properties of brass versus steel to see that steel can work once because the annealed steel will obturate to the chamber walls enough to seal gasses. Brass usually allows firing and resizing several times before becoming work-hardened and fail to hold a bullet or split. Steel doesn't have those properties and work hardens on the first firing, re-sizing and firing again is asking for serious trouble.
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You can't reload brass case 7.62X39 for the same cost per round that steel cased surplus ammo can be purchased for and disposed of. The only advantage I can see is that reloads would be non-corrosive, but I'd rather spend an hour thoroughly cleaning my SKS than spend the hours it would take to assemble a case (1,200 - 1,500 rounds) of handloads. You're not going to gain much precision in a rifle platform that is only capable of 3 to 4 MOA to begin with.
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Old 02-05-2017, 03:45 AM
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Cost to reload a brass case would be the same as would a steel one. Makes good sense to just use brass.

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Edit: Some rifles chambered 7.63 X 39 are not very kind to cartridge cases. If you have one of those, maybe the cheap steel cased stuff IS the most economical way to go?

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You can't reload brass case 7.62X39 for the same cost per round that steel cased surplus ammo can be purchased for and disposed of. The only advantage I can see is that reloads would be non-corrosive, but I'd rather spend an hour thoroughly cleaning my SKS than spend the hours it would take to assemble a case (1,200 - 1,500 rounds) of handloads. You're not going to gain much precision in a rifle platform that is only capable of 3 to 4 MOA to begin with.
Most steel cased ammo sold today is not corrosive. The only exception being mil surp stuff like found in the spam cans.
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Note that some of the 223/5.56 and most of the pistol rounds will have boxer steel cases! I don't know why, but that's the way things are! No, I wouldn't reload the rifle cases, but HAVE done so with the 45acp. I've experienced no problems (I imagine because the pressures are much lower) with those re-loads. And as far as the dies are concerned, they are carbide, which is MUCH harder than steel! I don't advise the use of steel re-loads, but I'm just sharing my experience with them.
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My son had a lot of steel cased 7.62x39 Russian that he bought at the Glendale, Cabelas here in Arizona. When he tried to use it at his local range in SoCal, the range officers wouldn't allow it citing the possibility of the ejected cases starting forest fires. Hence, when my son returned to Arizona for another visit, he was able to fire it all at my local range. Should you consider using steel cases for reloading, check with your local range first or you might have to come to Arizona to shoot your reloads.
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Long ago I came into a nice lot of steel cased .45acp military rounds. They eventually got all got fired and I started reloading them and still haven't lost one to splits or other damage. They are the preferred cases for my S&W M25-2.
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Despite the dire warnings you can reload steel cases at least one time and it will not wreck your firearm. What trash.

With the cost of used brass, however, you are much better off buying it and reloading several times.

Seriously, guys. "It will wreck your rifle"....."It will wreck your reloading tools".."It will cause sunspots".."It will raise zombies from the grave"!
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You must not have ever seen a chamber after a steel case breaks! I've seen two. They WILL (can) wreck your rifle to the point of needing another barrel.
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Old 02-05-2017, 03:56 PM
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JonP is the dude.Seek him and Hanshi out for steel case reload data. Probably best to use PM to exchange data so as to get the most from it.

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EDIT: You CAN reload steel cases. You CAN stand up in a hammock. Need to want to though.

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The hardest part about reloading 7.62x39 is finding boxer primed brass. It is usually less costly to buy military stuff, unless you need some specialized hunting ammo. The brass I use came from Samson ammo, made in Israel marked IMI. I didn't address the steel case issue because I doubt you'll find any thats boxer primed.
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