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Old 02-06-2017, 08:44 AM
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270 Win Sierra Game King 130 or 150 grain?


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Guys, I have a 270 Win that my son if going to hunt with starting next season. It shoots Federal Premium Nosler Partitions well but I have never been very happy with the performance of a partition on deer. Too many small exit holes and deer that run 50-75 yards when shot behind the shoulder. I personally don't think a deer provides enough resistance for the partition to really perform. I think it's a great bullet but just a little too tough of a bullet for whitetails, based on my experiences.

I currently handload a 140 grain Game King for my 270 WSM and am very pleased with the performance on animals, but due to a move in the near future I will not be set up to reload for awhile. I will eventually develop a load for the 270 Win with the 140 grain, but Federal Premium loads the 130 and 150 game kings. I am curious to hear if you guys have any first hand experience with the 130 or 150 grain game king in 270 Win. Published MV on the 130 is around 3040, and the 150 is 2850 if I remember right.

I push the 140 a touch over 3000 MV with my handloads and its been devastating on game. Thanks in advance for any feedback.
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Old 02-06-2017, 08:52 AM
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Slong, I stopped using Game Kings in all calibres many years ago. Front end failure on heavy game - only used them for culling - brain shots. Also stopped using Nosler Partitions for the same reason. Read my post on bullet behaviour in this section. If you are stuck with Game Kings then I would stay with the 150gr on the light weight animals like deer. 2,780 ft/sec is about correct for the 150gr and 2,990 ft/sec for the 130 gr.

But you see, we shoot through the heart and not behind the heart and therefor the Game Kings are no good.
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:26 AM
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Federal and Hornaday both offer a 140 grain load. Is just not common to see it in all stores.
https://www.midwayusa.com/270-winchester/br?cid=21972

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Old 02-06-2017, 10:21 AM
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There was no mention of heavy game in my post. I have no desire to shoot a bullet designed to kill a cape buffalo at a deer, which is the animal I specifically mentioned. Glad you have found your magical heart shot bullet and all your animals pose and allow you to split the heart in two. In all honesty, your feedback provided nothing relevant to my question. But thanks!¨


My advice was: "If you are stuck with Game Kings then I would stay with the 150gr on the light weight animals like deer. 2,780 ft/sec is about correct for the 150gr and 2,990 ft/sec for the 130 gr.¨


Slong. You are being unkind and biting. My whole post was about 130-150gr bullets on deer. Cape buffalo was not even mentioned - I am not stupid. It was a sincere response to your question about Game King 130 and 150gr bullets in the .270W as well as Nosler Partitions with which I have many years experience, and at a time their front ends had thinner jackets than earlier. What other logical facts will offend you today, my friend?
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Old 02-06-2017, 10:25 AM
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Please pardon the he-ll out of me. I'll try to read more carefully next time. I have nothing to offer.

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Old 02-06-2017, 11:34 AM
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Musgrave, I must have read into your post wrong. Sorry if that was the chase.

Cheezywan, I was not referring to you at all. Just stating what the main question I had was. Sorry guys.
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Old 02-06-2017, 11:42 AM
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I'd recommend you give some Federal Fusions a shot. They have worked very well in several different rifles I've tried them in. Later this week I'm figuring on sighting in a new Vanguard S2 using Fusions.
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Old 02-06-2017, 12:03 PM
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TnHunter, I hunt with a buddy that shoots the Fusions out of a 7MM WSM. He has not had good luck with them and is switching before next season. I have blood trailed quite a few of his deer over the past few years that he has used them. Weak blood and small exit holes have become a pattern for him, on well placed shots. I hope you have better luck with them.

In my opinion, most newer bullets today that are marketed as deer bullets are built too tough for deer. The Fusion is a bonded bullet as are many others out there.

I personally will take a Game King, Core Lokt or Interlock all day long based on my experiences over 30 years of hunting. Cup and core bullets kill deer very quickly and efficiently. My deer routinely drop on the spot. I don't care if the bullet only retains 60% of its weight on the rare occasion that I do recover one. I like the multiple wound channels and devastation created my some fragmentation taking place. The results don't lie.

My pet load is a 140 grain game king (270 WSM) pushed a touch over 3000 FPS. It rocks them and I wouldn't think of changing a thing. I was just looking to find out some info on the 130 and 150 grain because the 140 game king isn't offered in a 270 Win factory load, and I'm not in the position to reload for the 270 Win caliber right now and won't be for awhile. Luckily I have years worth of handloads on hand for my 270 WSM. Thanks.
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Old 02-06-2017, 12:13 PM
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Sorry to hear of your Buddy's troubles. Fusion bullets were designed and produced specifically for deer hunting though and I have had very good experiences with them as well as hunted with several others who have used them with excellent results on hogs.
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Old 02-06-2017, 01:46 PM
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I had the same issues with partitions...

when I was using a .284/7mm & switched to 115gr Speer hollow points and got excellent results when making lung shots in the 100yd range. Unfortunately I'm being forced to switch to the less effective/tree-hugger ammo on deer --- this is "forcing me" to get into a .35 Whelen just to try to comply with progress.
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TnHunter, I hunt with a buddy that shoots the Fusions out of a 7MM WSM. He has not had good luck with them and is switching before next season. I have blood trailed quite a few of his deer over the past few years that he has used them. Weak blood and small exit holes have become a pattern for him, on well placed shots. I hope you have better luck with them.

In my opinion, most newer bullets today that are marketed as deer bullets are built too tough for deer. The Fusion is a bonded bullet as are many others out there.

I personally will take a Game King, Core Lokt or Interlock all day long based on my experiences over 30 years of hunting. Cup and core bullets kill deer very quickly and efficiently. My deer routinely drop on the spot. I don't care if the bullet only retains 60% of its weight on the rare occasion that I do recover one. I like the multiple wound channels and devastation created my some fragmentation taking place. The results don't lie.

My pet load is a 140 grain game king (270 WSM) pushed a touch over 3000 FPS. It rocks them and I wouldn't think of changing a thing. I was just looking to find out some info on the 130 and 150 grain because the 140 game king isn't offered in a 270 Win factory load, and I'm not in the position to reload for the 270 Win caliber right now and won't be for awhile. Luckily I have years worth of handloads on hand for my 270 WSM. Thanks.
If you like cup/core, Cheezywan post these.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/53...tail-box-of-20

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Old 02-06-2017, 08:04 PM
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Having a deer run 50-75 yards with no heart/lung function is not uncommon. Anyone who expects a deer to drop to a behind-the-shoulder shot, every time, is on crack. It just doesn't happen like that. Some drop, some don't, that's the way it is.

50-75 yards with a blood trail shouldn't be a problem for most deer hunters. If it is - they need to learn how to track. Or, shoot through the spine. Period.

The hunter who thinks that their 'magic load' will ALWAYS drop a deer, is in for a big surprise one day. Guaranteed.

Again, a deer can go well over 75 yards with no heart or lungs. That is just a fact.
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If you read enough articles and online pontification, you'll discover that someone has had a bad experience with EVERY bullet made. Frankly, if one person has had repeated problems with a bullet, it may be the bullet, or it may be the shooter. Basing performance on the deer's reaction to being hit is not a wise observation, because deer can and WILL react differently to being hit. I've lung shot deer that dropped like a stone and heart-shot deer that ran 100 yards. I'll never understand someone who strongly advocates one shot type over the other, because they both ultimately kill by depriving the brain of oxygen. The lungs are a larger target, and since deer sometimes move just as you squeeze, it seems wise to aim for the part of their anatomy that has the widest margin for error.

There are deer, and then there are DEER. You don't mention where you live and hunt, but there's a big difference between Arizona Coues deer and Saskatchewan giants.

I like bullets that fly true, expand in a controlled manner (if meant to do so), then exit the off-side, leaving a sizable blood trail. For larger-bodied deer, I don't like the 130gr cup-n-core bullets in my 270 Win. They tend to blow up and result in more bloodshot meat, if I'm forced to shoot through the shoulder. Over time, I've gradually learned that heavy-for-caliber bullets, at more modest velocities, or even better, larger-caliber bullets, simply work better.

Of the two choices you're considering the 150gr bullet is what I'd go with, unless you're down South, shooting 125lb deer, then either one should be fine.
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Of course not every deer is going to drop. But when a high percentage run off with one particular bullet, and a high percentage drop or only make it a couple of yards with another, it is worth noting. We do hunt in the south, and our heaviest bucks top out around the 240 pound mark.
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My brother and I have used the 130 Sierra Pro Hunter for deer for many years and haven't lost one. Very similar to the Game King, only a flat base. Any issues we had were shooter error. If they shoot well, as long as he puts it where it needs to go, I don't think he'll have a problem, use the 130 or 150, whichever his rifle likes. Deer aren't hard to kill.
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Thanks M1. I called and talked to one of the guys at Sierra about his thoughts on the 130 vs 150 for whitetail deer. Those guys were really helpful when working up a load with the 140 grain game king, by recommending a MV based on the performance on game I was looking for. They are also very upfront about how fast you should push their bullets, and the risks you run if you push them too hard. Sierra said the 150 is constructed a little stouter than the 130, and will expand a little less than the 130 will on deer sized game. He recommended the 130 for whitetails, but stated that the 150 will also kill them very very dead, which we all knew already.
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You're still just dealing with random chance. Hardly anyone will shoot enough deer, or witness enough deer being shot, to get any really solid statistical data.

Break both shoulders and they'll drop. Downside... more meat lost.

The bullets often touted as best for instantly stopping a deer, are quite often horribly destructive and will ruin a LOT of meat if you hit the parts you plan on eating.

I just plan on there being an exit hole and prepare to track, if necessary.

There are no guarantees.
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I've been reloading 150 SGKs in my 270W for years.
All deer have been one shot kills.
Some run a ways - Some bang flops DRT.
They make bullets size holes going in.
All exited - Some are 3/4" round,
Some that hit a rib or shoulder are 4" blow-outs.
I've not ever found a bullet.
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Mike, clearly there are no guarantees as I stated earlier. I agree with you and I'm not trying to debate that with you. But I have killed a lot of deer over the years, as many of you guys have. Certain bullet/speed combinations tend to drop them on the spot a lot of the time, while others produce a 50-100 yard long blood trail a lot of the time. In some areas I hunt, the difference in dropping them or the deer going 50-100 yards can mean the difference in a quick recovery or a very long night, based on wooded steep terrain. Thanks for the input guys.
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Slong, IMO it's a toss up if you are shooting through the lungs. I have seen pass thoughs with inadequate expansion on 150 .270s before, but seriously doubt that's an issue with Sierras. We'd all probably feel a bit more comfortable with the 150 on any tough angle shots. That said, I killed a big bodied buck last year at a tough quartering angle in heavy brush with a 7-08 120 Sierra that pushes 3000 fps. That combo has less sectional density than your 130 .277 will. That deer went 40 yards, no exit wound, blood pouring out of the mouth. I switched to 140s this year to ensure a bit more penetration, but didn't kill other than with a bow. I sure wouldn't hesitate to hunt again with that 120 grain load. The 130 should do fine for your .270, but it comes down to your gut feeling.
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