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Old 02-10-2017, 08:42 PM
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I have loaded 12 Gauge 2 3/4", 9 pellet, 00-buck loads in Federal cases for years using 1 1/8 ounce load data and 3 layers of 3 pellets. Mainly with Red Dot. Never had an issue. They shoot fine.

On whim, I checked the weight of 12 pellets. It's 1.49 ounces. There is quite a bit of data for 1 1/2" loads using Blue Dot. I have never seen any 2 3/4", 12 pellet load data, but I believe I have wads that would make it work with 4 layers of 3 pellets (the top layer out of the wad). Does anyone know of any issues with this? I think it should be fine, and Nobel offers a 12 pellet 2 3/4" load for law enforcement use. 2 3/4" shells are preferable for self defense IMO due to the higher mag capacity, usually by one shell vs 3".
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I don't do much recipe development with shot shells Bird Dog II. I've done a couple recipe tweaks with bird shot, dove & quail loads mostly. But for buck shot loads I just use published data, it would make me really nervous trying to develop a recipe from scratch like that.

If you would like some published recipe's for 00 buck I'd be happy to look some up for you, I have a good deal of data for 12 ga..

What style federal hulls are those?

I'll dig around and see what I can find for that particular pay load (1-1/2 oz.) buck shot with Blue Dot.

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Old 02-11-2017, 03:57 AM
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I did something similar with 20 ga #1 buck loads. Factory loads are 9 pellets, 3 rows of three. Using fiber wads, I was able to load 4 rows of three. The weight comes out at 1.08 oz. so I started out using HS6 loading data for 1 oz and tweaked it from there.
I've been using these for years now. Without a shot cup, the pattern opens sooner which is what I want for home defense rounds.
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Old 02-11-2017, 09:50 PM
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I don't do much recipe development with shot shells Bird Dog II. I've done a couple recipe tweaks with bird shot, dove & quail loads mostly. But for buck shot loads I just use published data, it would make me really nervous trying to develop a recipe from scratch like that.

If you would like some published recipe's for 00 buck I'd be happy to look some up for you, I have a good deal of data for 12 ga..

What style federal hulls are those?

I'll dig around and see what I can find for that particular pay load (1-1/2 oz.) buck shot with Blue Dot.

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Just standard Field Load hulls mostly. But older ones. Lately the new stuff has primer pockets that are too big and loose. Not sure what's up with that. As you probably know, Federal hulls tend to have a bit more room inside than Win or RP and thus the layers of three 00 pellets fit better without binding.
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No, I don't think I've loaded those Field hulls, I've used Gold Medal's though, pretty decent hulls actually.

Did you check to see which primers are being used in the published loads that use those Federal Field hulls? Not all shotgun hulls have the same size primers, this is one of the reasons why different primers will be the only distinctive difference between recipe's for two different hulls sometimes.

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Using the Blue Dot data will be fine. I would obviously work up the load from the low end. I never Red-Line any loads, especially shotgun.
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