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Old 07-04-2015, 06:57 AM
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We shoot does that run 140-160 pounds (typically, barren does). A 3-1/2 year old buck will go 220 pounds. Either you're thinking of the hill country in Texas, or you're talking to the myriad of hunters who shoot yearlings. Unfortunately, our thick hunting country requires hunters more than shooters. Many shoot the first deer they see, typically a youngster.
Interesting. Those are blesbok weights in the northern Free State and southern Transvaal. Way south in the Karoo they weigh 20 lbs less.

In the Kalahari the springbok will weigh 150 lbs, and way less down south.
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Old 07-04-2015, 02:17 PM
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Deer in the central Texas "hill country" are indeed small. I have shot a few with the bow that wouldn't outweigh the average dog. Just not enough for them to eat - cedar, rocks, and cactus don't grow big deer.

Go a hundred or two hundred miles in any direction and they get somewhat bigger. I shot a spike once in south Texas that was probably twice the size of any hill country deer.

The biggest deer I ever weighed in central Texas (Travis county) was 125 lbs, before dressing him. Second place wasn't even close.....
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Interesting, that must be a myth about small deer in the south.
I've seen deer all over the south and have never seen deer the size they are mentioning. Some of my family has a farm just north of Hattiesburg and the deer were about the size of a great dane.
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Old 07-05-2015, 09:13 AM
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Just curious: Did Slong choose one of his bullet/load combinations yet? He sure has had a lot to think about after coming up with three very good combinations (for any deer between 125 and 250 pounds, I think).
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I haven't decided which bullet I'm going to take to Wyoming yet. I will likely shoot either the Sierra or the Hornady. I want to shoot each at 300 yards on paper, and then decide from there. Thanks for all the feedback.
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RifleFan, the area around Hattiesburg is not great habitat; poor soil and piney woods. However, you'd be surprised at some of the bucks that come from that area each year.

The area that CCA and I are referring to is much different. Body weights and the quality of the deer hunting in general varies greatly in different areas of the state.
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FWIW, I hunt roughly the same part of MS as Slong and CCA and their reported body weights match with what I've seen. The lease I hunt suffers from members being a little quick on the trigger so bucks are typically 180-200 but an occasional 220 gets tagged and the biggest buck on that property was 245. Several leases right around us though that are a little more disciplined are routinely taking bucks in the 220+ range.
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RifleFan, the area around Hattiesburg is not great habitat; poor soil and piney woods. However, you'd be surprised at some of the bucks that come from that area each year.

The area that CCA and I are referring to is much different. Body weights and the quality of the deer hunting in general varies greatly in different areas of the state.
Ok. I hope you find a combination that works and enjoy your hunts. I don't think you can go wrong with any you mentioned. I had venison for dinner this evening and was reminded again of how awesome it is to eat meat not bought at a store. Best of luck to you.
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Guys, just realized that I have never commented back on this thread. I ended up shooting the Sierra 140 grain boat tail game king for that Wyoming trip and have stuck with it since. Below is a list of animals harvested with the Sierra bullet since last year when this post originated. Shooting it out of a 270 WSM, 3025 fps muzzle velocity.

1. Mule deer buck = 215 yards broadside, shot behind shoulder, bullet exited, deer dropped.
2. Antelope buck = 436 yards, hit him a little forward, bullet exited, ran 40 yards and died.
3. Whitetail doe (138 pounds) = 125 yards, quartering to, bullet went through front shoulder, recovered bullet from under the hide on opposite shoulder, deer dropped.
4. Whitetail doe (136 pounds) = 125 yards, broadside and shot behind the shoulder, bullet exited, deer dropped.
5. 9 point whitetail buck (191 pounds) = 40 yards, quartering slightly away, shot behind front shoulder and bullet exited through opposite shoulder. Deer dropped.

I've been real happy with it.
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Out to 300 yds. I wouldn't be too concerned about which one you go with. Anything an inch or less at 100 yds. is going to be just fine.

We hunt the little bitty couse deer, they weigh in at under 100 pounds, and shots range out past 500 yards. The bullet we often load with is the Speer Hot Core, not exactly a top line BC projectile, but it's performed stellar and delivers very predictable accuracy. I've come across a few rifles that wouldn't shoot MOA with them, but not very often.

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Guys, just realized that I have never commented back on this thread. I ended up shooting the Sierra 140 grain boat tail game king for that Wyoming trip and have stuck with it since. Below is a list of animals harvested with the Sierra bullet since last year when this post originated. Shooting it out of a 270 WSM, 3025 fps muzzle velocity.

1. Mule deer buck = 215 yards broadside, shot behind shoulder, bullet exited, deer dropped.
2. Antelope buck = 436 yards, hit him a little forward, bullet exited, ran 40 yards and died.
3. Whitetail doe (138 pounds) = 125 yards, quartering to, bullet went through front shoulder, recovered bullet from under the hide on opposite shoulder, deer dropped.
4. Whitetail doe (136 pounds) = 125 yards, broadside and shot behind the shoulder, bullet exited, deer dropped.
5. 9 point whitetail buck (191 pounds) = 40 yards, quartering slightly away, shot behind front shoulder and bullet exited through opposite shoulder. Deer dropped. I've been real happy with it.
Imagine that, Sierra bullets of proper weight for caliber, driving tacks and dropping game without fail.....and at half the price of a Partition, Accubond, Barnes, Swift, etc.
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Old thread but I'm curious. If a rifle shoots under MOA then why is there a question of long range accuracy out to the projected shooting distance? Just how good does a person expect an off the shelf rifle to get? Was there some reason that a core lokt that the shooter was happy with suddenly sucked enough to change bullets.

A sub MOA bullet that drops game is what it is about and I don't care what the name on the box says. People get too wrapped up in the latest and greatest all the magazines are pushing and their friends are bragging about. There is a reason Core Lokts, Game Kings and bullets like that have been around a long time, they work for most everybody in the rifles we hunt with.

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Old 01-27-2017, 03:26 PM
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Good to see you circulating again Slong!! I've been a fan of the 150 grain Sierra Game King in my sevumag for as long as I've been loading for it (25+ years?) It kills elks dead so I call her RAID!!!!

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JonP, I decided to go with the Sierra for that hunt because of the high BC and less wind drift at distance. I'm not into the new designer bullets. Honestly I think a cup and core bullet is the most efficient deer killer you can buy. I would not hesitate to shoot a core lokt at the biggest buck I've ever laid eyes on. I am 1000% confident he would die, and die very quickly. But things started dropping on the spot with the Sierra and I was set up to load it, so I stuck with it. The game king is pretty old school and has been killing game very efficiently for decades. I just had two good options to pick from and had to pick something. For the record, a 130 grain psp core lokt in 270 wsm is a bad motha too. I've killed a whole bunch with that round and very few have made it 20 yards, most just drop. I would shoot it again in a heartbeat.
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Glad you had good luck with the Sierra's. I reload those for most everything I shoot. Get great accuracy out of them.
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People get too wrapped up in the latest and greatest all the magazines are pushing and their friends are bragging about.
I'm not always on board with bullet development, but most of the developments are actually quite good.

On the other hand, I don't spend a lot of money on "new developments".

Reason being, I don't exceed the performance envelope for the bullets I've kept on my loading bench for decades. I'm a 300-350yds shot guy, max, on game/eating animals. I don't use a round that exceeds the speed of light. I don't take 500yd-600yd shots, at anything. My freezer is full again this year.

I use mainly Sierra, Speer, and Hornady cup and core bullets, because they've proven 100% effective over the last 50 years. But I confess, if I head west for a cow elk this fall, I'm feeding my Whelen's a load with the Nosler 225gr bonded bullet. Because it shoots so well.

Latest and greatest, great. Need 'em to fill the freezer, not.
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I'm not always on board with bullet development, but most of the developments are actually quite good.

On the other hand, I don't spend a lot of money on "new developments".

Reason being, I don't exceed the performance envelope for the bullets I've kept on my loading bench for decades. I'm a 300-350yds shot guy, max, on game/eating animals. I don't use a round that exceeds the speed of light. I don't take 500yd-600yd shots, at anything. My freezer is full again this year.

I use mainly Sierra, Speer, and Hornady cup and core bullets, because they've proven 100% effective over the last 50 years. But I confess, if I head west for a cow elk this fall, I'm feeding my Whelen's a load with the Nosler 225gr bonded bullet. Because it shoots so well.

Latest and greatest, great. Need 'em to fill the freezer, not.
Pretty much my take. 500+ shots are at the range for fun. Hyper velocity super magnums are interesting but not useful to me. Standard calibers work and the bullets designed for them work.
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Pretty much my take. 500+ shots are at the range for fun.
They are fun shooting at prairie dogs, and groundhogs. Elk, deer, etc., not so much. Foxes and coyotes in between if fur money is on the line. No use educating them. Just need 'em dead, fire away.

Long distances are interesting, a test, but not always necessary if hunting is your game.
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I'll rephrase what I said as I agree with you and was talking about larger game animals.
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I'll rephrase what I said as I agree with you and was talking about larger game animals.
No need to re-phrase, I was agreeing with your position.
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