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Old 10-27-2010, 11:19 AM
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Is it my imagination, or is it a fact that there's no snob like a knife snob?

A couple of weeks ago, I bought a Cold Steel Finn Bear knife off e-Bay for the grand sum of $12.50. These are nothing fancy -- just a fairly thin, sharp blade and a molded-on polypropelene grip -- but I didn't want fancy, just something light weight and durable that, I hoped, would hold an edge fairly well and not break my heart if I happened to lose it (which I have done with knives plenty of times!). Cold Steel says the steel is "4116 Krupp". Having no idea what that means, I checked several knife forums and found a universal disdain of the stuff, and of these knives. I mean, the criticism was downright brutal!

So, here's the deal -- in the past week, this knife has field-dressed, skinned, and cut up 4 deer -- and it is still shaving sharp! Dare I say it -- this Taiwan-made blade is outperforming the old Buck I toted for a couple of decades (and then lost).

I know some gun forums are like this -- mention you have a Mossberg or an H&R, and you might as well admit to being engaged in carnal relations with a goat -- but this attitude seems to me the exception rather than the rule. But these knife guys spent page after page after page lambasting what, to me, is a darned good utility knife, and a bargain to boot!

They can keep their multi-hundred-dollar, never-used bragging blades. I know what works for me.
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Old 10-27-2010, 11:44 AM
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Importers are responsible for the garbage that gave imported knives a bad reputation. As a knife collector i have found that the name on the blade has more to do with quality than does the country it was produced in. All the cold steel knives i have owned were good knives regardless of where it was made USA, Japan, Taiwan, or China. Their best blades have always been made in Japan (those used to have very fine finishes) and they use better steels on their Jap blades. I do miss the carbon V blades used on their Camillus blades though.
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Old 10-27-2010, 12:23 PM
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I also have a FinnBear. Except for the cheezy handle, its a very good knife.

I've had excellent luck with these Chinese built knives:

- Rough Rider

- Boker Magnum

- M Tech

- Frost & Steel Warrior

Boker is arguably the largest knife maker on our planet. Steel is made in Spain and Germany. Handles are formed in Argentina. Final assembly in various locations including China.

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Old 10-27-2010, 12:41 PM
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Well, I'm as "buy American" as anyone, and would gladly have paid twice as much for an American-made blade of equal quality -- if there were one. But I am just plain American first, and to me part of that means that I buy the best I can for my hard-earned American dollars. Just as with American cars and guns, there's not a reason in the world an American manufacturer couldn't make a comparable product at a competitive price if he wanted to. Unfortunately, this quintessentially American ability seems, sadly, to be rapidly going by the wayside, in favor of trying to make a quick buck on a shoddy product.

PS -- By far the best machete I have ever owned -- the South African-made Cold Steel Kukri Machete. The thing's a hand-operated Bush Hog!
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Old 10-27-2010, 12:50 PM
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...well admit to being engaged in carnal relations with a goat --
I could only think of that Steve Martin movie, "three Amigos", when the bad guy said "you are the son of a motherless goat!!!!"

Yes, there are knife snobs, just as there are gun and bow snobs.

I personally have been using a $12.99 special from a chinese company called DAJO. The model is the ascent. It holds an edge on everyhing I cut, doubles a money clip, and has a pair of tweezers that are the Schnizz, when it comes to pulling slivers and splinters.

Yes, I own finer, more expensive knives, but day to day for the last 6 months it's held up.
ON TOP of that, my original DAJO, the pocket clip fell off and got lost. I called the company for another, willing to purchase it, but instead they sent me a brand new knife to replace it. Customer satisfaction rates! I told the guys at work the story, and they ALL are carrying these great little knives.

Check em out!
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Old 10-27-2010, 01:56 PM
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Some guys will look down their noses at you if you drive a car that isn't made in Germany or if your hunting rifle only cost you $500 and shoots 1.5" groups at 100 yards. Folks these days have traded in common sense for a double latte that costs $4.50 and makes them "better" than you.

I use a Buck knife and it holds a good edge. I've also use a Schrade, a Gerber, a Barlow and an old hacksaw blade that my dad crafted into a custom knife, with about $10 in materials. They all seemed to cut stuff, though some better than others. I can sharpen a knife if it gets dull, which they all do, so I guess I don't see the sense in worrying over some other guys knife or what it does. This is just another thing where I don't give a tinker's **** what the Jones' have.
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Old 10-27-2010, 03:44 PM
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I have a few "nice and expensive" knives. They sure look pretty. Of course they don't do squat as they are put away and never used. The ones I regularly use are my two Old Timer knives. The ones that were made before they went overseas with the production. They are by no means stainless. Which is good, because that mean they are made with a harder steel than what stainless is and hold an edge forever, and will rust. Neither cost much more than 15 new. I got one in high school, my Sharp Finger which happens to be my skinning knife. And I got my second just out of college, a folding one with 3 blades. That one has been to **** and back and back to **** again with my ten year stint doing tree work. That knife never saw an easy day. And I still bring it with me to work now to cut the shrink wrap off of pallets when I'm delivering food to restaurants. Of which, shrink wrap is the material to use if you want to dull a knife fast, I don't care what you're using for a knife, that stuff is tough on an edge, oddly enough.

My recommendation to owning a knife is to go read a book on how to sharpen a knife. The knowledge of how to sharpen a knife will save a lot of headaches and time.

But you're right. Some people are a bit snobby when it comes to knives.
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Old 10-27-2010, 11:39 PM
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I bought a Schrade+ 3" folding pocket knife many years ago, it's main duty is cutting open plastic packaging, but, it has been used for everything from tree work to camping. Whatever it cost 20 years ago was well worth it for an American knife.

Even the plastic clips are still good.
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Old 10-28-2010, 03:53 AM
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Pisgah; Disregard the snobs...if your knife works for you thats all that counts...be proud...you did good!!!
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I buy $5 WalMart sunglasses every few fishing trips (after the old one is lost or breaks). I know people who look at me like I'm crazy, and then they'll tell me about the three times they've accidentally dropped their $300 sunglasses over the side of the boat, lost forever in the depths... which is precisely the reason I buy $5 sunglasses
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:26 AM
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I buy all my knives from Cold Steel (Special Projects their discount division) and I saw that close-out deal on the 5 1/2" Finn Wolf - essentially 2 for 1. They currently have a close-out on the Western Hunter which is from the same line - Finn Wolf, Roach Belly, Canadian Belt... and is a very good deal for a super light weight 6" hunting knife. I have a Roach Belly which I love among many others from Cold Steel.
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Old 10-28-2010, 09:54 AM
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I only use 2 non-folders, one is my old Air Force survival knife from the 1950's, and the other is one I made from a Jeep spring back in the 60's. Both will hold an edge . The hand made one was made because I wanted a good knife I could use for skinning, and could find nothing shaped the way I wanted it. The old suvival knife is for general purpose use. If I ever need another knife I will find another spring and forge a new one.

I guess I could be called cheap, but I trust those two knives, and have nothing invested, one free, and one that cost a little labor at something I enjoyed making.
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:46 PM
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i always thought snobbery was lame no matter what it is directed at. be it a an apple computer person because i prefer pc's. or a glock owner because i still to this day dont see what all the fuss is about. oh i know how bout the "you have to use .45 acp" or you might as well be spitting into the wind and 9mm is for people that squat to pee guy.
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.....and 9mm is for people that squat to pee guy.
I have always loved that one....

My consistant reply is, 'if that is so, can I shoot you with it'????

That usually ends that gripe....
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:49 PM
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I am not a knife snob. I can't afford to be.

That being said, I basically own 5 knives for use as serious tools.

... A $9.99 plastic/stainless 2 1/2" Schrade that I bought at a West Virginia Wal Mart 20 years ago because I had forgotten to bring a knife on a turkey hunting trip. It has been in my pocket at work every day since then. It has never been re-sharpened and still cuts cardboard like a champ.

... An Schrade Sharpfinger for gutting duties. 20-couple years young. I love it.

... A Glock 78 field knife. "That's not a knoife. THIS is a knoife" Work it hard, beat it around, put it away wet.

... A Gerber Gator 4" rubber grip lockback. Completely sufficient for waht I paid.

... A Kershaw Ken Onion 4" serrated lockback clipper. Heavy, bet a darned fine tool.

Don't think I paid over $30 for any of them.

Murphy's Law of knives: The more you pay for a knife, the quicker you will leave it under a gutpile somewhere or someone will borrow it and forget to return it.
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Old 10-28-2010, 04:03 PM
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I'm a big SAK fan, have a dozen or so in various models, also own a beaut Gerber (not sure which model) folder, a Svord Peasant knife that hangs on my fishin' vest and a couple of others I'd have to find to name. The knife that flat out saved my life was a fugly $2.99 Chinese pocket knife. It was what I could reach at the time.
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I mostly value knives for their utilitarian purpose. If it can get through cutting 4 legs off an elk through that tough hair, gut (and make it through that brisket hair), skin & quarter in the field before a sharpening, that's all I really need. A fixed-blade drop-point Schrade from RMEF accomplishes that. I do keep another knife in the pack just in case! That Schrade got two sharpenings on a a steel, then stone on my last 'elk camp', and it now needs another.

I'll admit to buying a purty 6-knife fixed-blade set in a display case at another RMEF banquet, but can't get the thought out of my mind in taking them - one at a time - on a hunt to see how they do.

Don't think the knife-brand loyalty/favoritism is much different than that in the gun world though!
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I only use 2 non-folders, one is my old Air Force survival knife from the 1950's, and the other is one I made from a Jeep spring back in the 60's. Both will hold an edge . The hand made one was made because I wanted a good knife I could use for skinning, and could find nothing shaped the way I wanted it. The old suvival knife is for general purpose use. If I ever need another knife I will find another spring and forge a new one.

I guess I could be called cheap, but I trust those two knives, and have nothing invested, one free, and one that cost a little labor at something I enjoyed making.
I dare not say what i once paid for a set of 5 truck spring knives, but i will tell you that when i had to pull my ox outta that hole...I lost a considerable amount of money.
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Old 10-28-2010, 07:33 PM
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if it gets sharp and does the job don't worry,i have several rough riders and other makes of knives. my favorit are my strait knives made by anza great knives at a great price.
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I carry a SOG belt clip folder and just about any of a pretty large number of other makers' knives. I'm a fan of the older Old Timers and the German-made Boker's, too. I carried a Gerber double edge with a long blade for three years in Vietnam and still have it. If it works, that's the end of the story. As to origin - there are a lot of American companies selling knives with component parts from all over. Buying "American" isn't as easy as it should be, but, that's the new integrated world economy.
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