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Old 01-05-2017, 05:25 AM
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Fairness is only relevant to "sport" hunting. Hunting for survival is a whole different matter. Many (most?) predators are not concerned with making a quick kill of their prey unless not doing so exposes them to a greater risk of injury. It's sport hunting that is is in jeopardy when the barbarians among us unnecessarily cheat and brutalize the animals - resulting in a call for the end of sport hunting and for government control of the animal populations through snipers, poisoning etc.
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what does'' brutalize the animals'' mean?
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Old 01-05-2017, 02:36 PM
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I remember a few years ago when "Uncle Ted" got in a lot of trouble for baiting game. I think it was in California.
Of course, in Texas, it is legal to do so.
As far as I'm concerned, as long as you are legally hunting in the state you are in, that's fair to me.

However, I am more concerned by comments from some hunters who try to take shots that are too far, or try for head shots to keep from "ruining meat" or call themselves bowhunters during bow season, but only succeed in gut shooting more animals.
If you can't cleanly kill the animal with the first shot, then don't take the shot. Be fair to the animal.

I had a hunter shoot a nice buck last year during bow season. The deer was only ten yds away. He said they quit looking for the deer after a couple of hours. I went out the next day, and there by a pond was the buck half eaten by coyotes. The buck was about 500 yds from where it was shot. From what was left of the hindquarters, it looked like the shot was too far back and clipped the liver. That's a killing shot but it takes a while to die. I thought about not giving him the rack and cape but I made him tag the deer, which means he was done for the season. I got rid of him after season. I think some hunters don't want to follow up a shot, so that they can go kill another one. I've seen that happen too. I have been fortunate to hunt with some really fine individuals, some are members of this forum. It seems like maybe one out of three hunters are the type that just enjoy hunting and not just killing.

I have deduced that you can sign up the nicest people before season starts, but once they see deer, something happens to some of them. I hate to label the younger hunters, but too many of them have blood in their eye. Not all of them but enough to see the difference. I tend to look for older, more experienced hunters who enjoy the whole Texas hunting lease idea. Kill all of the pigs you want....please. But the doe and buck harvest has to be done right, or you never get anywhere.
Anyway, that's my thoughts on fairness in hunting.
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what does'' brutalize the animals'' mean?
Its defined as cruel, inhuman treatment. For examples read about the atrocities currently being committed by ISIS, the treatment of Jews by NAZIS in the WW2 concentration camps, and the treatment of POWs by the Japanese in WW2.
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irv, i can't imagine anyone doing that.
do you mean shooting to wound?
if i shoot at a animal, i'm trying to make it dead, with a minimum of fuss.
that's what everybody does, right?
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irv, i can't imagine anyone doing that.
do you mean shooting to wound?
if i shoot at a animal, i'm trying to make it dead, with a minimum of fuss.
that's what everybody does, right?
More likely to happen to predators and varmints which the shooter hates. Torture of these animals is far from unheard of after they've killed a few domestic animals. Same type of degenerates that torture pets.

About a half century ago there was a farmer in PA who who had damage from a deer herd in his orchard and instead of putting up a fence or getting a permit to shoot them for a food bank, he gut shot most in the herd at night so they they'd go back into the woods and wouldn't die in his orchard and he'd need to remove them. Also read olafhafdt's post earlier today (but that might have been an attempt at humor).
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Nacho, the only time I have heard from a viable source ofdamage done to utility lines was my daddy shooting at a little tweet tweet bird on a high line. Of course a little bird sitting on a high tension line does make a sporting target with an 03 Springfield and DCM ammo. He said the wire made a huge ball of fire when it hit the ground.
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irv, i can't imagine anyone doing that.
do you mean shooting to wound?
if i shoot at a animal, i'm trying to make it dead, with a minimum of fuss.
that's what everybody does, right?
I ran into a guy at a gun show looking for a 22 simi auto with a scope to hunt coons with. His dog would tree a coon and he would shoot at the coons feet until it fell out of the tree and his dogs would kill it. On a traditional coon hunt the dogs are supposed to kill the coon which is often wounded with a gun to make it fall out of the tree and also to help the dogs. Some states have laws to facilitate this.
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I worked in a veterinary office in the SE several years when I was a young man. I helped stitch up some very torn up coon dogs, and would argue [that] it's inhumane to wound the coon then allow the dogs to kill it. The coon may be the dead one, but dogs often get seriously injured and sometimes die as well. If you care about your dogs, kill the da**** coon.

A coon -vs- dog fight is physically no different than staged dog fights. (yes I know one is "legal")

Yes, I am a "dog lover".
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I ran into a guy at a gun show looking for a 22 simi auto with a scope to hunt coons with. His dog would tree a coon and he would shoot at the coons feet until it fell out of the tree and his dogs would kill it. On a traditional coon hunt the dogs are supposed to kill the coon which is often wounded with a gun to make it fall out of the tree and also to help the dogs. Some states have laws to facilitate this.
I can't say I'm on board with shooting a coons feet off & would call that animal cruelty. How about slicing a cats feet, then putting a hook in them & throwing them overboard for shark bait? Dog "hunters" shooting their own dogs cuz it "won't hunt", or made some mistake? I kinda doubt small shot would harm an electric line the FIRST TIME, telephone lines & larger caliber rifles??? The main point is shooting at a bird on the roost/branch/ground isn't exactly kosher. Not that I haven't done it, but am not proud of it either.
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Sorta on topic, I just want to say kudos to all who posted. I'm fairly new here. This is one of those topics that could easily have degenerated into a flame war, insult fest or a urination contest at minimum. It didn't and that says a lot for you people and this forum. Of course we are all armed and maybe that leads to a little more respect. ( : < ) Anyway, thanks! I needed a little dose of faith-in-humanity.
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OK I"ll talk about some types of hunting which are undoubtly fair chase but are frowned upon and often illegal. One of my dearest buddies eased up in a john boat on a swimming buck, grabbed the antlers, jammed its head under water and drowned it.There are guys and gals that feel around in holes, grab fish, and haul them in. Big fish, blue cat, channel cat, flat head cat, an occasional cottonmouth and a stray beaver. Some states require that the blue and channel cat be returned to the water. I worked with a cajun who would chase flying squrilles through the trees to catch them for pets. Was the official German drive hunt I went on where almost everybody got sloppy drunk fair chase? Is sitting in a tree stand over looking a deer feeder which your auto cameras have showed a nice buck fair chase. How about a woman who stayed at home to fix a hot lunch for the hunters and slid her 257 Roberts out a kitchen window and killed the biggest buck of the season? Therexs all kinds of stories like this. Now this weekend I am going to a dairy farm, buy a Holstien steer yearling, get a bill of sale, shoot it, gut it and tie it across my hood and drive back to Arkansas. First I have to go cut some antler looking sticks to stick in its ears. This is a good way to meet law enforcement people who are generally understanding, have a sense of humor and appreciate a break from the routine.
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I can't say I'm on board with shooting a coons feet off & would call that animal cruelty. How about slicing a cats feet, then putting a hook in them & throwing them overboard for shark bait? Dog "hunters" shooting their own dogs cuz it "won't hunt", or made some mistake? I kinda doubt small shot would harm an electric line the FIRST TIME, telephone lines & larger caliber rifles??? The main point is shooting at a bird on the roost/branch/ground isn't exactly kosher. Not that I haven't done it, but am not proud of it either.
Nacho, I guess I am proud of it and I am sure those elk murderers are proud of it. I am of the opinion that having a lot of good stories to tell is a great form of wealth even all the better if the stories are true. If one ever soder mizes a goat he should tell the rest of us. All of us old enough to own a gun are old enough to make our own choices.
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Elk murderers???

You can be proud as you want & I guess that's why your goats are always nervous & you can't find any virgin wool in your area. Drowning a swimming deer takes a bunch of class. Have your heroes always been dirtbags?
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There's hunting, and there is subsistence living. If someone shoots an animal with the intent of wounding it instead of killing it as quickly as possible, that is deplorable.

If you're fornicating with the livestock, you need professional help...and I do NOT want to hear about it!
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Broom, you beat me to it.
This thread sure got off message.
Didn't know it included farm animals!

I will say that my first job was a production mgr at a poultry slaughterhouse. Yea, I know, don't say it!
It seemed cruel but when the birds were hung on the line, their necks were slit so that they would "bleed out" before going into the de-feathering machine. If the guy doing the slitting made too big of a cut, he would kill the chicken. The result was a red chicken instead of a white one. The red ones ended up being hog food.
These are the little known facts in the slaughterhouse biz-

How's that for getting off message?
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There are probly other sites that cater to your particular fetish.

I DOUBT ANYBODY here wants to hear about goats being "SODER MIZED". RE: the chicken killing, you didn't choke them? LOL.

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the guy that drowned a deer sounds like a hungry person.
i think game laws are for sport hunters.
if poaching is what it takes to feed your family, then have at it.
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Tall tales???

A drowning deer wouldn't go easy & likely pull anyone holding onto it out of a canoe or capsize it. Why not just hit it with a hammer, or shoot it?. I got the BS flag at the ready. Using "feeding the family" is a cop out excuse for a person that can afford beer/booze/cigarettes/tattoo's/ guns/ a big screen Tv/ smart phone/ 4x4 truck, etc. How about buying groceries instead of another TAT, even though they look SO GOOD. If "TRULY" to feed yourself or family, by whatever it takes, AFTER giving up the non essentials.
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I DOUBT ANYBODY here wants to hear about goats being "SODER MIZED". RE: the chicken killing, you didn't choke them? LOL.
No, we didn't choke them. Again, killing them without bleeding them wouldn't work.
Anyway, "choking your chicken" refers to something else that we won't get into!
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