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Old 04-03-2017, 03:08 PM
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My question stems from living and working in the Rocky mountains. Is there enough power difference to make me buy a 375? I shoot a 200 cast from my old carbine at almost 2100fps.
My neck and back are still recovering from an extensive surgery a year ago. Recoil is a consideration as I cannot take the big stuff anymore. Breaks my heart to leave the 450 Alaskan at home.....
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Old 04-03-2017, 06:15 PM
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IMHO, the choice is really between your health & possible greater success. I vote for staying safely healthy.

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Old 04-03-2017, 06:20 PM
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A 255gr bullet @1950 is something a 30-30 lies in bed at night and wonders about.

If it hurts, look elsewhere. But my .375s (38-55s) are things I love to use.
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Kind of depends what you are needing the .375 (or 30-30 for) but availability and cost of 30-30 ammo is by far an advantage. If you reload and have brass then the .375 might be a little more practical but with modern bullets and powders the 30-30s performance can really be stepped up. I might be biased as I am a fan of the 30-30 (three of them) but really like them - and the 30-30 round in general.
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Old 04-03-2017, 06:34 PM
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I'm biased towards the big bore 375, even if I was not it would be a better choice for larger game, IMO. As mentioned, your health comes first, If you don't have that you may not be hunting anything. Good luck. If it's any consolation, I can't shoot my BB 375 at present either.
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Old 04-03-2017, 07:17 PM
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Up until a few months ago when Cap Tech. Did a run of brass, ammo for them was tough to find. As far as recoil, it's no worse in my opinion than my .35 Rem. But after 10 rounds I've had enough, I'm a wuss!
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Old 04-04-2017, 02:15 AM
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IMO, the 375 is more gun, but it does recoil more.
I've chronoed several 30-30 carbines. From a 20" barrel, 2100 is the highest velocity I've gotten from 170 jacketed handloads - and 2000 is a lot more common.
The 2 375's I've loaded for both shot 200 jacketed at 2400 fps and 220 Hornadys at 2150-2200.
I haven't used cast bullets, so no comparison there.
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Old 04-04-2017, 11:42 AM
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I own a 375 and have plenty of experience firing a 32spl I owned in the past. The pre-64 32spl with it's steel buttplate was a sharper shot to my shoulder than my m94 BB 375 shooting 250gr boolits sitting on a max charge of H4198 with the Pachmayr Deccelerator on it. This is the same exact buttpad that comes on any new Winchester m70, at least those that are dressed in Walnut.

The 375 can be loaded down to standard 38-55 power when you don't need all that the 375 is capable of and can be loaded to the max for when you do. I don't know your exact situation as far as your health and recoil tolerance, but I can say that a 375's recoil can be tamed down to similarity with a 30-30 with a steel or plastic buttplate if you have a quality recoil absorbing butt pad installed. Handloading according to your needs and ability will take it that much further. The 375 is most definitely a reloaders cartridge as factory ammo is very rare other than Buffalo Bores heavy 38-55 loads that are stated by the manufacturer to safely chamber and fire in ALL 375 Win chambered rifles.

Thanks to Captech International, we have another source of brass. They are currently sold out, but I grabbed some when it was available. Vollmer, Hawk, Sierra and I believe Barnes are still making JFN projectiles for us too.
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If recoil is a concern don't think I'd go bigger. If the .30-30 isn't hurting you the .375 probably won't either. By the way that is a pretty steamy cast load.
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Old 04-05-2017, 11:48 AM
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Been there and done that. There just isn't anything in the woods the .30-30 won't kill and the .375 will. What little extra killing power you get is not worth the shoulder bruise.
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Old 04-05-2017, 11:56 AM
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My question stems from living and working in the Rocky mountains. Is there enough power difference to make me buy a 375? I shoot a 200 cast from my old carbine at almost 2100fps.
My neck and back are still recovering from an extensive surgery a year ago. Recoil is a consideration as I cannot take the big stuff anymore. Breaks my heart to leave the 450 Alaskan at home.....
That is a question I can identify with. At 70 years young, I rarely shoot my 338 any more. The 375 generates even more recoil than my 338 loaded with 225 grain bullets.

I just started casting 170 grain bullets for my 30-30. It still has enough felt recoil that I know when it goes off.

If you are having any doubts about the 375, I suggest that you see if anyone you know has one that you could shoot. Try it and give yourself a subjective report about whether or not you want to endure that kind of recoil. If you don't care for the recoil of the 450 Alaskan, I doubt you will want to take the 375 out for a test run.

There is one possible way around some of the recoil. If you put a muzzle brake on 375 it will reduce the recoil to something like a 30-06. If you think you can handle that, it might be worth while.
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I would wager that the 375 has better capability on some critters the OP might encounter living and working in the Rockies (as he stated in his opening question) than a 30-30. Make no mistake, I'm not hating on the 30-30 here at all, no Sir.. But lets be realistic, the 375 is undoubtedly a more capable round on larger/heavier animals, just as a 338WM would be more capable yet than the 375 on same.

For deer hunting?? Your right, the 375 won't kill em' any deader.
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I have a T/C Contender with a 14" ported barrel. It's fairly mild with 200 grain.375 bullets and doesn't bother my shoulder at all. Just something to consider....
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I carried a 375 BB for the last six years I hunted, Recoil about equivalent to the 30-30. Last deer was 165# dressed, hit in the classic behind the front shoulder with WW factory 250gr, he died in midair on the first leap, hit at 70yds.
Reloads were the Sierra 200gr fp over Reloader 7 (load came from Sierra tech help, only one they recommend)
Superior to the 30-30 with little difference in recoil, IMHO.
The extra cross section is like a 44spl over a 38spl, both easy to shoot, 44 has more whack!
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If you compare an iron butt 30/30 carbine with heavy handloads to a .375 with Decelerator pad, then they are pretty similar. Comparing apples to apples the .375 absolutely does kick more and I'm not at all certain it kills any deader. Personally, I have used heavy loads in 45/70, .338 Win mag, .358 & .375 Win, .50, .54 & .58 muzzleloaders and after 50 years hunting in the Rockies I've recently become a fan of the 25/35. Shot placement is so important that nothing else matters much.
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Years ago a friend had a 350 Rem mag. all he shot in it was cast bullet's but he showed up one day with some full power jacketed loads. Difference in recoil was like night and day. In my 30-06 I have a load with a 180gr cast bullet that recoil is about like a 22 RF. About 1800 FPS. I would think there would be a cast load that will make both more than comfortable to shoot.
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Old 04-05-2017, 04:01 PM
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Somehow, all these posts from fellas having used larger stuff when younger and now using smaller stuff as older "more experienced hunters" means a lot more about what they cannot do anymore as to what works as well.

I'm 62, flew helicopters for the Army for a lot of years in crap I cannot even imagine anymore at my age. I understand the difference, but, by God I'm not gonna flame folks for stuff they can do better than me just because I'm no longer a young buck.

It is what it is, just stop with the blatant BS about how you used to do things and now you're "different". You think you're memory is that much better than your old shoulder and your old accomplishments????

Sorry, I think not after 45+ years at it myself.
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Old 04-05-2017, 04:12 PM
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My question stems from living and working in the Rocky mountains. Is there enough power difference to make me buy a 375? I shoot a 200 cast from my old carbine at almost 2100fps.
My neck and back are still recovering from an extensive surgery a year ago. Recoil is a consideration as I cannot take the big stuff anymore. Breaks my heart to leave the 450 Alaskan at home.....
My two cents. I have taken dozens of deer with the 3030 mostly with the Hornady FTX lately. Then I switched to a 375 and never looked back. The 375 is one dandy little Winchester. I never did see an improvement in actual terminal performance over the 30 30 though.. I use Sierra 200g flat nose in the 375. It goes right through the deer and so far none lost nor gone over 40 yards. I did have several that went 100 yards after hitting them with the 3030, but I have taken way more with it so that's not conclusive.

I use 37.8g of RE7 in either 375 brass, 30/375 brass or the 38/55 Starline brass trimmed down a bit. That gives me 2275 fps with the 200g Sierra. The most accurate combination I have found.

One thing to consider. If you want real Winchester ammo, you will fork out $100 a box, so really - this is a hand loader's rifle. It is very pricey to get 375 brass as well, so I just buy cheep 3030 ammo and fire it in the 375 to get 30/375 brass.
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375 Big Bore

I bought one of the first big bore 94 to come to Australia. The round just loved cast bullets
I settled at 32 grains of Reloder 7 behind a 250 grain RCBS Gas Check bullet. It was cheap to shoot very accurate but did kick quite a bit. I later sold it and I have regretted it ever since. I later bought a savage 99 but the chamber was so sloppy I could not load it to the cartridges potential. For Hogs the 30/30 does not even come close. If You do get one you might use 38/55 ballistics to help your shoulder and in my view this would surpass the 30/30. A Great cartridge , a great gun one in a marlin would have been nice, but the chamber does need to be tight, sloppy chambers are the norm now days the reason I sold the savage had it had a nice tight chamber I would have kept it out of the two, I preferred the Winchester
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