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Old 06-09-2005, 06:16 PM
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.30-30 vs. .35 Rem


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I know this topic has probably been talked to death about, but which is actually a better deer killer? I know the ballistic aspect that the .35 Remington spits out its 200 grain bullet at roughly 2000 fps and the .30-30 spits out its smokin 170 grain bullet at about 2200 fps. Is there really an advantage with the 200 grainer over the 170 grainer? The .35 Rem at that speed has a muzzle energy of 1756 ft/lbs of energy vs. the .30-30's 1810. I have a .30-30 and am considering a .35 Remington, but if the difference isn't big enough than I will no longer contemplate that option. I also need a varmint rifle, so I have to see which one may be a better choice.
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Old 06-09-2005, 06:59 PM
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If your budget is such that you would allow yourself two similar performing rifles, add the 35 Rem. If not, stay with the 30-30 and seek out the varmint rifle you mentioned.

I don't think the critter really knows which he is getting shot with within the effective range of these two cartridges. I have three of each caliber and any one of the six is a deer killer!

I favor the 170-grain Hornady in the 30-30 and 180-grain Speer in the 35 Rem.
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Old 06-09-2005, 07:17 PM
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Hmmmm.... no, actually I don't think we've talked this one to death yet, but there have been a few other threads like that!

They both do work.... I don't think that the deer will ever know the difference.

The .35 picks up about 30 grains of bullet weight, and some diameter, over the .30-30 (when velocities are similar). That is about it in a nutshell.

You'll get a little flatter trajectory in the .30-30, not much, and a bit more thump with the .35, again, the differences are slight....

I couldn't decide either and have both!
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Old 06-10-2005, 02:13 AM
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Hmmmm....
the differences are slight....
I couldn't decide either and have both!
How about this;

Load 100 or 110 grain bullets for your 30-30. I have used this bullet on chucks and bunnies, and it truly does not to alot of damage. Accuracy is on par with the norm of your 30-30, speed's obviously a bit quicker.
I've used this bullet with sucess out to about 165yd launched from a micro-grooved Marlin with a cheap Cabela's scope.
This way you could get that 35 [like a Garand, everyone SHOULD own 1] and still whack varmints.













But a 220swift or 22-250 sure would be nice too!!!!
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Old 06-11-2005, 03:34 PM
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Always need a new gun, however if you can only buy one now go with the varmit rifle the 30-30 and 35 are too close to each other.
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Old 06-12-2005, 04:04 AM
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I'd say if you own the 30-30, don't go for the 35 Rem as it's a minute difference. I have a 270 Win and I'd compare it to getting a 280 Rem. Another possibility is take a look at the 358 Winchester in the Browning BLR. Great gun and caliber. Otherwise I'd go for the varmint rifle.
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Old 06-12-2005, 04:52 AM
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You didnt say which 30-30 you have. With a 20 in barrel, the average 30-30 gets about 2000 fps.with 170 gr loads The factory generally lists velocity with a 26 in barrel. If you didnt have the 30-30, I would say get the 35 for its wider and heavier bullet. The 30-30 can be a good varmint gun with the right ammo. I had good luck with a M94 and 130 grain pointed bullets which must be used single shot in a lever gun. These have to be handloaded. I hope you are into reloading or are interested in starting up. There a many good bullets for the handloder made special for the 30-30.
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I've slain many deer with both calibers. In my opinion, the 35 hits bigger game than deer much harder.

The common 150 grain 30-30 bullets produce amazing damage and quick kills. They're much deadlier than paper charts with ballistic tables would suggest. 170's are quite deadly but typically the wound channels are narrower.
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Oops. I have a Marlin 336A with the 24" barrel, so the numbers aren't all that far away from factory listings. I also have a .30-06 (i like .30-'s), but it has been kind of booted out as top cat by the .30-30, seeing as the Marlin is much more fun to shoot and is better suited to New Hampshire deer hunting.
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Old 06-13-2005, 04:01 AM
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The common 150 grain 30-30 bullets produce amazing damage and quick kills. They're much deadlier than paper charts with ballistic tables would suggest. 170's are quite deadly but typically the wound channels are narrower.
My experience has been with the 170-grain Hornady FP and it is simply devastating on deer and hogs. My dad and I have shot this bullet for over 30 years now.
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Old 06-20-2005, 03:06 PM
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I like both calibers but I favor the .35 Remington. Since you already have the 30-30 you might consider Ranch Dog's advice and purchase the .35 Remington if possible. As has already been mentioned, they are similar, but with this pair of rifles you'd be equipped to hunt most game animals in the US.
The big bears would require more torque for safety but elk, moose, black bear; no problem at woods range. You will not regret buying the .35 Remington.

If I happen to be hunting deer in territory where longer shots are likely I'd use the 30-30 shooting 150 grainers. The 30-30 is a bit flatter in its trajectory and is a very capable 200 yd deer caliber. The .35 could also do the 200 yards but I feel the 30-30 would do it better.

By the way, factory ballistics are obtained using a 24" test barrel unless otherwise noted. In the case of the 30-30 the ballistics are obtained from 24" test barrels. At least from the major ammo manufactures, i.e. Remington, Federal, and Winchester, etc. Keep in mind that there are many factors that contribute to muzzle velocity and thus the figures you read off the manufactures chart is approximate.

Remember too that the figures given for MV and ME in the charts are not true indicators as to the killing capability of either the 30-30 or .35. They just kill very effectively, especially the .35.

Hope this helps and Good Shooting.

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Old 06-20-2005, 07:21 PM
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your 30-30 is a varmint gun

this is my first post on this site.

if you buy the remington 30-30 Accelerator load. it is a 30-30 case with a saboted .22cal 55gr bullet that is made to turn your 30-30 into a .223 with out doing anything but buying a box of ammo and keeping your gun, remington also makes that load for a 30 06. the 30-30 load has a muzzel velocity of 3400 fps and a muzzel energy of 1412 and has only 3.5 inches of drop at 250 yards when zeroed at 150.

here is a link to reminton, next to were it says calibers 1,2,3
click on the arrow and go down to 30-30win accelerator

http://www.remington.com/ammo/ballistics/ballistics.htm

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Old 06-20-2015, 07:53 PM
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30 30 or 35

with the 30 30 you can always get ammo and a pretty good variety. Nothing in production is going fast out of either gun so stick with the 30 30. Put your money into something that works for a different animal or situation.

150, 170, lever evolution in 160 (3 leaf clovers at 100 yds from a 2007 marlin with ghost rings)

You can also get 190 grain solids from buffalo bore in 30 30 which target exactly the same as your rem core loct 170 so you can go after big bear or elk under 150 yds without making adjustments to your zero.

So... with the buffalo bore solid ammo now available the 30 30 is more versatile and ammo is certainly easier to come by.

If I were to do it again I would get an older .35 like I have,(mint 1960) use the hornady lever ammo which is super accurate and if hunting at distance go for a long range caliber rifle like a .270 which also has great ammo variety for hunting without a lot of fuss.

The advantage discussed that hasn't been mentioned is that the .35 puts a much bigger hole in the target which chuck hawks says is pretty critical for bigger animals and tracking. The hole size is significant because bullet expansion is much greater when it moves through the target and possibly passes out the other side. Much larger wound channel for entry and exit which means greater immediate shock and fluid loss to the system of an animal which could put the thing down faster. Shoot the two rounds side by side through a variety of targets and you'll see the .35 from 70 yards out is a much bigger hole.

Don't bother with any marlin after 2009 or so. Go with marlins before 2008 and the quality is great.
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Old 06-20-2015, 08:03 PM
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oh yeah,
if you can get your trigger replaced with a quality replacement, accuracy goes up.
the 30 30 shoots softer with 150-160 increasing accuracy as well
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If one wants to talk the optimum ballistics from either/both of these cartridges, I'd look to Hornady's offerings in their LeverEvolution line-up. These loads give both these cartridges a MPBR of 200+ yards, when sighted in properly. Even if one doesn't care to sight in for the off chance of a 175-200 yard shot possibility, they both perform very well at 25-100 yards as well. Both these loads; 30-30/160grFTX and .35/200grFTX maintain a tad over 1300 FPE @ 200 yards per manufacturers numbers. I have seen a vast majority of those who have shot and hunted deer with both go with the .35 as their favorite.

Already mentioned, the .358 Win, is a very good choice as well and it's numbers can be quite impressive.

I do have one question, however. Why is the 30-30 better than the 30/06 where you hunt? Rifle length? Rifle weight?
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I love my 35 rem. But if you don't reload. I would say hit some gun shops
Around you and see if they have any ammo for it.the last box I have
Seen in a shop around me was two yrs. Ago. I can by stuff to reload
For my 35.
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I agree with big lever, 35 rem. ammo is hard to find. I have a 336D with an 18.5" barrel and I handload. I have taken a few deer and hogs with the Speer 220 grain at 1900 fps. Living in California I need to switch to non-lead, the 140 grain Barnes XPB at 2500 fps shows promise.
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That. Just gets me . I was in two diff.gun shops
Sat. They bought had ammo for my 30/40 krag, lots of it.
A rifle that well over 100 yr.old that nobody makes
Or has made in a very long time, that I know of. But
You can get ammo. They are still cranking out 35 rem.
Rifles. But they don't send or ship any to the northeast.
In 2 yrs.??????
Sorry for the rant. But I am so tired of the shops tell me
That's a seasonal run ammo. What season due they plan
On making it.?
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I agree that it is a darn shame that a cartridge with as much a following as the .35 Rem, has so very little ammo to be found. There is some available online, but all I see is the Hornady flavor and it costs about as much as my .338 RCM ammo which is also easier to find. A real shame!
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In a nutshell, I have always felt the .35's kill better than the .30's. I have never known anyone who thought the .30's killed better than the .35's, even though they do a darn good job. Someone will now have an argument to the contrary!
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