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Old 10-04-2016, 05:22 PM
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By Ross Seyfried (sp) anyways I couldn't agree more with a writer than this guy on this subject.Even so,an Elmer Keith guy at one time.The .270 win has done everything I ask and I shoot my 270's so well.There is a man on the planet that shoots a heavily recoiling rifle as well as his .243.****,I went and read Elmer's "**** I was there" I found it lacking...but Ross got beyond it
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Huh???
Most of these "arguments" seen to be started by people who cannot deal with recoil. Deal with recoil, open your lives to LOTS!!
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I got lost somewhere in this commentary and exchange!
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Old 10-04-2016, 06:09 PM
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Hey,it's not an argument but a discussion.The Magnum myth is a good read.
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Can you post a link to the article you are refering too?
Keith wasn't one who was shy when recoil was concerned, so how does his opinion tie in?
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The OP is apparently referring to the article/blog, "Busting the Magnum Myth", by Ross Seyfried.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/ros...e-magnum-myth/

I skimmed the article and basically the author is saying that whatever caliber you can shoot confidently, such that you hit what you aimed at, is likely big enough to get the job done. What he fails to acknowledge is how some guys can shoot larger, more powerful cartridges, just as well as they shoot a 270 or 308 Winchester.

Magnums cartridges have their place...pushing heavier bullets (for a given caliber) at the same speed that lesser cartridges push lighter bullets. There are plenty of hunting situations where this is a real advantage. Learning to shoot heavier-recoiling rifles well is worth the effort.
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Thanks for the help- my skills on this phone are limited (cannot cut paste or whatever)Just a hayseed. The article is well worth the read imo.Ross says here what I believe and that is find a rifle you can handle and have confidence with.Elk are a great example and I worked as a game guide for while.Dude hunters that showed up with large chamberings always shot poorly imo.In those days they were Weatherby's. If a guy showed up with one of these ,I would take a rifle.If he showed up with a nice little .If he showed up with a well worn .280 or 30/06 I might leave the gun behind.Especially if he used the nosler partition,this was the 80'sand 90's .I go to our local ,small town range these days and the only way shooters zero is with a silly sled sled or something.He is afraid of his rifle imo.If his rifle is ported everyone else is afraid. I thought Ross's message was bang on
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Ross Seyfried is probably the most knowledgeable gun writer to hit the stage since Gen. Hatcher. He's certainly got more real life experiences in the field than anybody I know of.
It is VERY seldom to find a hunter with a big magnum than can shoot it well.
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I must say I know quite a number of men who shoot their big magnums confidently and accurately. In fact, apart from having observed them in action on rather challenging game one can only go to the DG rifle hunting competitions and see what can be done with .500s, the .400s, and the bigger-than-.338s.

Have been with quite a few others who regularly shoot their little magnums not so well...
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I must say I know quite a number of men who shoot their big magnums rather confidently and accurately. In fact, apart from having observed them in action on rather challenging game one can only go to the DG rifle hunting competitions and see what can be done with .500s, the .400s, and the bigger-than-.338s.

Have been with quite a few others who regularly shoot their little magnums not so well...

On the " DG rifle hunting competitions", when and where are they held ?
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Hipshot, there are monthly competitions in the "Hunting Rifle"class (I have reported on these) and then in the Pretoria and north of Pretoria big game areas there are clubs that have a separate section for dangerous game. Static and charging life size targets. I'll post some photos and text.

The standard small and big game competition is nationally very big and we host also the internationals every second year where Sweden, Australia, Finnland, Italy, Namibia already send teams, and other shooters come from all over the world to shoot as individuals and make up an international team. It all started with our hunter education programme for young hunters many years ago.

The DG section at this stage is only on a club and provincial basis.

Look at the video here, it is for the plains game competitions, I am still searching for the DG video.

http://www.sahuntingrifle.co.za/
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They have a good one in Texas too, Hipshot1.
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Texas Dangerous game practice range.

Thanks Gunpa, I was just about to refer HS to the Texas facility. Just do not pay too much attention to the shot placement the girls were sort of "generally" told about in the video - particularly the brain shot.

How to Stop a Dangerous Game Charge - Petersen's Hunting

They have .22LR for practice for the recoil shy presumptive buffalo hunters.
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They have a good one in Texas too, Hipshot1.
When and where do they have these ?
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The article wouldn't open for me, so I have no idea what it was saying, but, magnums definitely have their place and are a tool that EASES hits at longer ranges with the SAME weight bullets lesser cartridges struggle with.
As to the inaccuracy seen by those using them, I have to say that poor marksmanship doesn't just plague magnum users, have seen many shooters flinch when using standard calibres with short barrels and LOTS of muzzle blast.
I use many magnums, none are too much for me, even my 505 Gibbs is a non issue accuracy wise, although I don't shoot more than a few rounds at a time. I still use my 300WM in F-Class comp, it aint broke, the recoil is mild to me, so I don't need to use a lighter recoiling cartridge. I even use my 264WM for F-Class out to 800yrds.
Those that want less recoil don't seem to get better scores than myself or others using magnums on the line.

It's all RELATIVE.

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When and where do they have these ?
I doubt if it is organised competition like we have in South Africa, HS. Time you come out here and have a ball.

The only Americans shooting in the local club and regional hunting rifle competitions are those who have made friends with local folks and then come to visit, or hunt and then also join in these shoots. Every year there is a call for US hunters to enter the hunting rifle world championship shoot but a team still needs to be put together. I forgot to mention Chech earlier - another team that participates in the international competition and who give a good account of themselves with their CZ rifles.
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I use many magnums, none are too much for me, even my 505 Gibbs is a non issue accuracy wise, although I don't shoot more than a few rounds at a time. I still use my 300WM in F-Class comp, it aint broke, the recoil is mild to me, so I don't need to use a lighter recoiling cartridge. I even use my 264WM for F-Class out to 800yrds.

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MM you must certainly join Australia's team for the international hunting rifle competition out here; they can do with new blood. The furthest is about 390 yards (but no one knows the exact distance, life size targets are set anywhere between 90 and and 390 yards, so that will be a breeze for you).
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The OP is apparently referring to the article/blog, "Busting the Magnum Myth", by Ross Seyfried.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/ros...e-magnum-myth/

I skimmed the article and basically the author is saying that whatever caliber you can shoot confidently, such that you hit what you aimed at, is likely big enough to get the job done. What he fails to acknowledge is how some guys can shoot larger, more powerful cartridges, just as well as they shoot a 270 or 308 Winchester.

Magnums cartridges have their place...pushing heavier bullets (for a given caliber) at the same speed that lesser cartridges push lighter bullets. There are plenty of hunting situations where this is a real advantage. Learning to shoot heavier-recoiling rifles well is worth the effort.


I often think of those old timers who didn't know they were undergunned when they used .38-40, .44-40 et al for deer, elk, bear, moose & etc.
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I often think of those old timers who didn't know they were undergunned when they used .38-40, .44-40 et al for deer, elk, bear, moose & etc.
Don't tell my oldest daughter her 44-40 ain't enough gun to hunt deer.
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I know a guy that killed his first half dozen white tails with a .310 Martini Cadet and my first bear hunt was with a guy using a M-43 Winchester in .22 Hornet.
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