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Old 03-01-2017, 03:11 PM
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When all of us old geezers were kids, the costs of printing and mailng an 80-100 page magazine were nothing compared to todays prices. That is why advertising gradually overwhelmed gun mags, along with every other topical magazine. Generally, two pages of ad sales pay for one page in the magazine.

Subscription costs dont come close to covering expenses. Now, with most magazines hiring additional staff for digital versions, publishers have those additional costs. Without ads, youd be paying $25-$50 per issue. A magazine that cant be a business success first won't be publishing any editorial at all.
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:19 AM
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Advertising certainly is top priority in the gun rags today. I'm old enough to remember reading O'conner and Keith and other GOOD writers who took you on the hunt with them. You smelled the pines, saw the vistas, heard the river and they described the rifle and load they used and how it performed. Those were the good old days!
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:39 AM
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advertising certainly is top priority in the gun rags today. I'm old enough to remember reading o'conner and keith and other good writers who took you on the hunt with them. You smelled the pines, saw the vistas, heard the river and they described the rifle and load they used and how it performed. Those were the good old days!

........and so they were!.......
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Well Gunpa, if you knew how many times I bitched about that, you'd be amazed. The above are the only two I read anymore. And I always buy them off the rack, because I don't believe in feedin' a dog before the hunt. That's the problem right there. People buyin' subscriptions, and GREED. The rag owners aren't satisfied with having a popular, well received magazine, and makin' a decent living. They want to live (and hunt) in luxury. We need to stop buying magazines that make advertisements the focus of their rags. Do that, and sooner or later, people who actually LOVE hunting and firearms WILL produce the kinda magazine we love and want.
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Old 03-15-2017, 11:25 PM
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Well Gunpa, if you knew how many times I bitched about that, you'd be amazed. The above are the only two I read anymore. And I always buy them off the rack, because I don't believe in feedin' a dog before the hunt. That's the problem right there. People buyin' subscriptions, and GREED. The rag owners aren't satisfied with having a popular, well received magazine, and makin' a decent living. They want to live (and hunt) in luxury. We need to stop buying magazines that make advertisements the focus of their rags. Do that, and sooner or later, people who actually LOVE hunting and firearms WILL produce the kinda magazine we love and want.
Won't happen. Print media is on it's way out and the youtube videos are usually BAD
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Old 03-16-2017, 06:39 AM
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there are a few things worth considering. Ken Howell once wrote that during his time with Handloader he did not pay Ken Waters anything near what his article were worth.
Dave Wolfe purchased Handloader when he was with Shooting Times. For many years Handloader magazine, which had its share of advertising did not make a profit. I do not believe the magazine was truly profitable until Dave Scovill took the reigns and changed the format. He saved the magazine but it is different from what it was.
Certainly The American Rifleman, Shooting Times and Guns & Ammo are nothing close to what they were in the 1960's.
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there are a few things worth considering. Ken Howell once wrote that during his time with Handloader he did not pay Ken Waters anything near what his article were worth.
Dave Wolfe purchased Handloader when he was with Shooting Times. For many years Handloader magazine, which had its share of advertising did not make a profit. I do not believe the magazine was truly profitable until Dave Scovill took the reigns and changed the format. He saved the magazine but it is different from what it was.
Certainly The American Rifleman, Shooting Times and Guns & Ammo are nothing close to what they were in the 1960's.
Shotgun News is absolutely NOTHING compared to the mid 70s. I didnt read it in the 60s
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Certainly The American Rifleman, Shooting Times and Guns & Ammo are nothing close to what they were in the 1960's.
American Rifleman was ruined when they brought George Martin in from Guns and Blammo. That was the 80s.
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rojkoh: Show us a yard stick for quality.

Bob: Overtime you have spoken of working for or with the NRA and a number shooting related companies. Also you have spoken of your experience with long range shooting teams. It is obvious that you can speak with authority on these topics. Having authored a book and written for many periodicals confirms your long experience and expertise. Hands on personal experience can serve as a guide to other shooters. To help us out can you share the title of your book? It would be helpful to direct us to some of your articles? Would it be possible to guide us to your posting and threads in other forums? Thanks very much for your help. Take care and be safe.

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Old 04-04-2017, 10:15 AM
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Every month i get several gun rags but i'm going to thin them out. Grown tired of seeing 5-8 pages of mostly pictures of some new whiz bang gun or the other.

Used to be all .22 rifles were test fired for groups at 50 yards. Now some of the .22 shooting happens at 25 yards and they don't always tell you that up front. Saw a test on someone's replica of a Winchester 73 that they fired at 50 yards.


Shooting Times keeps getting thinner and thinner. It will go away when my subscription expires.
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Bob: Overtime you have spoken of working for or with the NRA and a number shooting related companies. Also you have spoken of your experience with long range shooting teams. It is obvious that you can speak with authority on these topics. Having authored a book and written for many periodicals confirms your long experience and expertise. Hands on personal experience can serve as a guide to other shooters. To help us out can you share the title of your book? It would be helpful to direct us to some of your articles? Would it be possible to guide us to your posting and threads in other forums? Thanks very much for your help. Take care and be safe.
Interesting, a week ago you said:

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with all due respect you are returned to my ignore list
Learn to quote, cuts down on misquoting people. I've also posted article links.

Edit: not so sure you'd want to read some of them, it's the "Voodoo" reloading or whatever you called it. I know you've read the tips on tumbling with SS media, it's the only reference to the name Bob.

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Old 04-05-2017, 02:48 AM
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What? No sources.

Bob, this is about you and your work. Sources, titles etc. This is a chance to help us all understand more about good writing. Specifics please. Is that a problem? Please address the question. Thanks.
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Bob: Overtime you have spoken of working for or with the NRA
Never said this. Not true with one minor exception of trying to save a historic rifle and get it into the NRA museum.

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If you're reading the links (and you have at least once), ought to give you some clue.

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Also you have spoken of your experience with long range shooting teams.
Never said this, I had friends on them.

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Having authored a book and written for many periodicals
Never said this.

Given the number of misquotes and a detachment from what I actually have said, why bother? I have no interest nor the time for this Bill
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What?

All false right? Could you reply to the comments, some very unkind, that appeared in the CMP Forum on or about 1/10/2012? There were claims of dubious behavior related to a book you were supposedly writing (or had written). Also, people who attended matches could not recall nor find records of your being there. There were frequent references to factual misinformation. On which end are we dealing with "alternative facts?" What gives?

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All false right?
Bill save the pissing matches for someone that cares.

Obviously you lied about the ignoring things and denying misquotes or bad paraphrasing isn't false, that's on you. It's called reading comprehension problems or spin doctoring depending.

Since you haven't bothered to actually quote me saying any of the above, it's obviously spin doctoring. Tell you what, go ask Mom for a cookie, you'll feel better.

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Guys, time to drop it and move on. Don't want to have to close the thread.
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Guys, time to drop it and move on. Don't want to have to close the thread.
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No more.

Thanks for the reminder/caution. The matter is dropped.
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Every month i get several gun rags but i'm going to thin them out. Grown tired of seeing 5-8 pages of mostly pictures of some new whiz bang gun or the other.

Used to be all .22 rifles were test fired for groups at 50 yards. Now some of the .22 shooting happens at 25 yards and they don't always tell you that up front. Saw a test on someone's replica of a Winchester 73 that they fired at 50 yards.


Shooting Times keeps getting thinner and thinner. It will go away when my subscription expires.
Whew, I can remember when American Rifleman was a classic technical journal and I loved it. Now it's just another whiz bang buy this rag with badly rewritten old stories. There used to be a couple of good ones. Fouling shot is still decent to a degree and very homey for the cast bullet shooters.
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Old 04-07-2017, 05:33 AM
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Get back to magazines for Joe Shooter

Nothing wrong with "black" rifles & military lookalikes......but all the time every month? Get back to rifles & handguns us average shooters can afford. Wonder what "Cactus" Jack & "B.S" Keith would think of todays gun rag writers.....not much I bet. Anyone else have thoughts on this? When my subscriptions lapse on Shooting Times & Guns and Ammo I'm done!!
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