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Old 07-30-2014, 08:32 PM
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I noticed there had been no postings in this section for thirty days. It's no wonder. Gun magazines these days seem to be all M1911 this or ARs are wonderful. All the gun rags ars simply vehicles to sell ads and the hack writers whores for the industry.

If I want to read something interesting I find a Gun Digest from the John Amber or Ken Warner days, or a bound volume of American Rifleman pre-dating the massacre in Cincinatti after which the magazine wS transformed into Gun & Whamo East, by a bunch of ad salemen and feather merchants who didn't know which end the bullet came out of.

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Old 07-31-2014, 02:06 AM
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Yeah...every once in a while I'll flip through a gun rag at a store and it only takes me a few minutes to remember why I don't subscribe to one any more. Out of 5 or 6 articles, I'm lucky if there is even one that I'm genuinely interested in reading.
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Old 07-31-2014, 04:47 AM
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Gents, I have to agree.
I put the generally bland pablum that passes as writting in the gunzines to my having read it all before over 40 or years. When I first started reading the shooting press I was new to shooting and reloading, everything was exciting and fresh.
Plus I could read an article without knowing the writer, and I.D. him by his style, topic or tone.
I would not be surprised to find out there is only four active writers working for all of the diffferent magazines.
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Old 07-31-2014, 05:59 AM
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Seems like, any more, it's more about politics rather than the shooting sports. I remember I had a subscription to Guns & Ammo back in the 1960's, and then joined the NRA, in the 1970's, receiving their American Rifleman magazines. Back in those days there was more articles about guns & hunting then what they print today. Seems like all that's written is political articles, and less & less about what they should write about......GUNS & HUNTING PRODUCTS
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Old 07-31-2014, 06:33 AM
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True, all, and then when they do "write" an article, it is old history! It is not new info--the same basic article was written 10 or 15 years ago--nothing but a repeat! When they evaluate a "new" gun, there is never anything about it other than perfect, obviously they are afraid to say anything bad because they don't want to offend the people that pay them, so in other words, the evaluations are nothing but paid advertisements. You had better be into 1911's and AR's, because that is pretty much all that is going to receive any ink. They rarely actually have good hunting stories any more. This is not new, though. It has been evident for 15 or so years, just getting worse.
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Old 07-31-2014, 08:42 AM
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what's wrong with the winingtonby rifle that spits out a 6.9 slam bammer magmam with a 143gr hollow point(barnessler of course) at 50000 fps. oh, it comes in a ar. recoil is not a problem, only kicks like a 22 short. and it goes .1" at 100 yards out to -.3" at 1500 yards.
i mean come on, whats wrong with that. its the newest, bestest gun out there. only 7 or 8 rag writers agree.

i haven't read a gun rag since the early 2001 or 02. they haven't got a clue to what real hunters want.
i remember guys that wrote about hunting, used to HUNT. petersens hunting, field and stream, shooting times, guns and ammo, and others did actually hunt and wrote about it, unlike todays crap, all ar's and 1911's.
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Old 07-31-2014, 08:56 AM
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Seems like, any more, it's more about politics rather than the shooting sports. I remember I had a subscription to Guns & Ammo back in the 1960's, and then joined the NRA, in the 1970's, receiving their American Rifleman magazines. Back in those days there was more articles about guns & hunting then what they print today. Seems like all that's written is political articles, and less & less about what they should write about......GUNS & HUNTING PRODUCTS
TAR back before Cincinnati was one of the few fine technical magazines in existence. They were polite if they didn't like something, but laid it out for people that wanted to know about this stuff.

Guns and Blammo.. never cared for it and it's worse when they're misquoting Cooper to sell all kinds of mediocre pistols that are WONDERFUL and can stop anything (especially ballistic Gel) While Jeff is turning in his grave.
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Old 07-31-2014, 12:48 PM
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A number of years ago, when I hunted in northern Manitoba, there were 2 well known hunting writers in the caribou camp who were being hosted by an industry rep from one of the well known in-line, muzzle-loader, manufacturers. They were hunting with a different guide than I and were "testing" a new model in-line rifle using a scope, sabots, and a highly modified ignition system (which never became popular) to see if they could shoot caribou with it out to 300 yards. They each got their 2 bulls, but one was missed by 1 of the authors at about 300 yards about 2 miles from where I was hunting. It then came to me and I shot it. The writer who missed then came over to look at the caribou after I shot it to verify that my bullet hole (a .270) was the only one in the animal. They each wrote an article about their hunt for their respective magazines (to which I had subscriptions - I'm in the distant background of one of the photos - so I know that was the hunt they wrote about). Not only were there differences between their descriptions of the hunt, the stories didn't even appear to be from the same hunt.
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I too, grow weary of a constant diet of 1911 and AR clones being written about. That's why the Wolf publications of Rifle, Handloader and Hunter magazines are the only ones I bother to subscribe to anymore. American Rifleman and North American Hunter come as lifetime membership.
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Did you folks think that maybe you've grown up and your point of view has just changed? I've noticed for a long time that the outdoor magazines will write a turkey article every May and a deer story every November, etc.. They just follow a formula and plug in the appropriate journalism. Now, when I was a kid, I would devour what the magazine told me.
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Old 07-31-2014, 05:25 PM
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Did you folks think that maybe you've grown up and your point of view has just changed? I've noticed for a long time that the outdoor magazines will write a turkey article every May and a deer story every November, etc.. They just follow a formula and plug in the appropriate journalism. Now, when I was a kid, I would devour what the magazine told me.
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every story is about such magmun, and how flat it shoots. there are no stories only "journalistic facts" . ie, don't question it, i'm right and you are wrong.
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What I get tired of is half-naked girls holding guns in ads. If you need cannons that could sink a ship to sell squirrel rifles your product sucks.

Edit: I forgot to add the gun writer mentality of "You have hunted for 40 years successfully without this product, but all of that was a fluke! You need this!"
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Thanks for the replies fellas! Keep'em coming. I am being entertained!
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Old 07-31-2014, 07:01 PM
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I believe magazines and news papers are obsolete. You can read just about any news paper on the internet and that also relates to magazines as well.
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Old 07-31-2014, 07:17 PM
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Two comments: Mr. LilysDad, no, they just repeat the same BS. No originality. Mr. Lawrence--that's fine if A) your computer has the ability, but more important to me, B) I don't enjoy sitting in front of a screen to read. I'd like to relax in a nice chair and read an informative and/or enjoyable article. Sitting in an uncomfortable chair in front of a computer isn't where I want to read news, let alone what should be recreational reading.
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Old 08-01-2014, 08:16 AM
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A number of years ago, when I hunted in northern Manitoba, there were 2 well known hunting writers in the caribou camp who were being hosted by an industry rep from one of the well known in-line, muzzle-loader, manufacturers. They were hunting with a different guide than I and were "testing" a new model in-line rifle using a scope, sabots, and a highly modified ignition system (which never became popular) to see if they could shoot caribou with it out to 300 yards. They each got their 2 bulls, but one was missed by 1 of the authors at about 300 yards about 2 miles from where I was hunting. It then came to me and I shot it. The writer who missed then came over to look at the caribou after I shot it to verify that my bullet hole (a .270) was the only one in the animal. They each wrote an article about their hunt for their respective magazines (to which I had subscriptions - I'm in the distant background of one of the photos - so I know that was the hunt they wrote about). Not only were there differences between their descriptions of the hunt, the stories didn't even appear to be from the same hunt.
I loved this for one reason:

In the early 80's a friend of mine (a top competition pistol shooter) got pistols sent to him for "testing" and/or his review. He got three new "whoopteedoo" pistols and asked for my help, so off we went. Three were not great, they had problems. Got sent back and he got three more. These were worse on top of the fact they wouldn't even function properly. Went back and after a bit he got three more. These worked well and since I'd taken the first 6 apart to see what was going on, I took the last 3 apart and noted they'd been worked on before he got them

He asked me to ghost write the basic outline for the testing/review and I did. I got a copy of the gun rag it was published in. The published article has little to do with what really went on. It was a review of the last three and how wonderful they were, overlooking the fact that they were modified before being sent and ignored 2/3rds of the testing. Never was inclined to write for a gun rag again.

*IF* American Rifleman was still run the way it used to be before it got turned into another gun rag.. it's one of the few I would have been interested in. But all the classic great techs are long gone and from what I see if I browse through them is that they're doing a lot of rewriting old articles. While I do love the 1911s, I see to much BS and "Keep the advertisers happy" stuff and I have no interest in the AR platforms.
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American gun magazines always mad me mad, because they would start through a story then tell you to go to page so'n so or the back page. Enquired about this with a very well know writer back then and he said it was down to advertising which took precedence over everything. I am sure it has got much worse in the 25 intervening years or so. Here in the UK I do not buy any gun/hunting magazines for mainly the same reasons y'alll have stated, BUT, we have to remember , us old'uns, we have seen it all before and very little is really sparkly new to our jaundiced eyes.
I enjoy going back to re read, maybe for the 50th time, old hunting and fishing books I have picked up over the years. The writing is so good in them, I never get tired. At present re reading O'Connors "The Big Game Animals of America" , "Fisherman" by Anthony Pearson and "Going Fishing" by Negley Farson and C.F.Tunnicliffe. Beats the present day stuff in modern hunting/fishing magazines by a mile.
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American gun magazines always mad me mad, because they would start through a story then tell you to go to page so'n so or the back page. Enquired about this with a very well know writer back then and he said it was down to advertising which took precedence over everything. I am sure it has got much worse in the 25 intervening years or so. Here in the UK I do not buy any gun/hunting magazines for mainly the same reasons y'alll have stated, BUT, we have to remember , us old'uns, we have seen it all before and very little is really sparkly new to our jaundiced eyes.
I enjoy going back to re read, maybe for the 50th time, old hunting and fishing books I have picked up over the years. The writing is so good in them, I never get tired. At present re reading O'Connors "The Big Game Animals of America" , "Fisherman" by Anthony Pearson and "Going Fishing" by Negley Farson and C.F.Tunnicliffe. Beats the present day stuff in modern hunting/fishing magazines by a mile.
I have several old Shooter's Bible & Gun Digest books dating back to the mid 1950's to early '70's. My oldest book is a 1953 Gun Digest, which happened to be my first gun book; given to me by my Grandfather, when I was 7 years old. I still look through it quite frequently.
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I have several old Shooter's Bible & Gun Digest books dating back to the mid 1950's to early '70's. My oldest book is a 1953 Gun Digest, which happened to be my first gun book; given to me by my Grandfather, when I was 7 years old. I still look through it quite frequently.
Do you look at the prices? Silver dollars were still used back then, so adjusting for the current price of silver, guns are as inexpensive now than they were at the inexpensive looking prices in the old books.

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What I get tired of is half-naked girls holding guns in ads. If you need cannons that could sink a ship to sell squirrel rifles your product sucks.

Edit: I forgot to add the gun writer mentality of "You have hunted for 40 years successfully without this product, but all of that was a fluke! You need this!"
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