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Old 05-08-2016, 12:30 PM
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A California law restricts smoking to people under the age of 21.
These kids can vote for the leaders of their country, can risk their lives in service for their country, but they can't smoke??
Stupid!

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Old 05-08-2016, 05:24 PM
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Heard the same thing about drinking ever since WWII
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Old 05-09-2016, 07:26 AM
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California is crazy communist and fairy land.
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Old 05-09-2016, 10:35 AM
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So at what age is a young person in California no longer considered a minor?
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Old 05-09-2016, 12:31 PM
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So at what age is a young person in California no longer considered a minor?
And smoking what? With a med MJ card??? Having seen that (long term) tobacco use has had more of a negative effect on vets health issues later in life, than service related injuries when younger. I'm in favor of (more or less) ANYTHING that gets people, OF ANY AGE, to quit/ or cut down.
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Old 05-09-2016, 01:39 PM
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Like was previously stated, with the health issues associated with tobacco use, it might give the young ones a couple more years down the road.

Of course you could look at tobacco as chlorine in the gene pool.
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Old 05-09-2016, 01:47 PM
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Showing my age here-We couldn't VOTE at eighteen when I was in the Army! We had to be twenty-one! They GAVE us cigarettes when deployed, and as far as drinking, although it wasn't permitted off-post, at that age, the PX sold 3.2 beer by the gallon!
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Old 05-09-2016, 01:57 PM
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Hey Guys; remember 'Beer' is Boiled and the Alcohol limits the 'bugs' that cause Intestinal infections from 'native' water consumption.
Cigarettes were in ''C" Ration issues, but were removed form "MRE" rations I believe.
Some 'Drugs' are pushed in war as being less injurious than the combat involved
But seriously, I did not partake of any of the above in my Service time nor do i now as I don't believe They do any Long term Good to a body.
Just my opinion, formed from observations of others over my 73 years of Life.
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Old 05-10-2016, 12:32 PM
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This is all well and good, but don't you think that an 18 year old that takes the responsibility of risking his life for our Country and has the privilege of voting could make the decision of to smoke tobacco?
I know as well as all of you that smoking can damage your health, but if a kid can take the chance of being blown apart by a land mine, he should be able, by his own choice, to smoke a cigarette.
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Old 05-10-2016, 01:23 PM
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Jim, the vote is a Constitutional RIGHT-not a privilege, but I get what you're saying. The pendulum has swung to the left on smoking and many other issues, of which soldiers are, as are we, pawns in the game of political correctness! I think it is highly hypocritical to furnish tobacco to troops-and a few years later not only take them away, but make the individual feel like a CRIMINAL for wanting to smoke! So, you can see that there are people higher-up than the military calling these shots!
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Old 05-11-2016, 12:02 PM
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Jim, the vote is a Constitutional RIGHT-not a privilege, but I get what you're saying. The pendulum has swung to the left on smoking and many other issues, of which soldiers are, as are we, pawns in the game of political correctness! I think it is highly hypocritical to furnish tobacco to troops-and a few years later not only take them away, but make the individual feel like a CRIMINAL for wanting to smoke! So, you can see that there are people higher-up than the military calling these shots!
Bong,
This is not altogether political correctness.
Insurance companieis (bless them) are the prime mover.
They control every aspect of our life.
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Old 05-11-2016, 12:14 PM
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It is a health issue, not pc

I can't recall the exact figures but EVERY cigarette smoked costs $ in medical care later. Someone has to foot the bill. I have no problem if someone chooses to smoke, paying for their medical conditions that result from it & higher medical insurance premiums for me, a non smoker, NOT SO MUCH.
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This is all well and good, but don't you think that an 18 year old that takes the responsibility of risking his life for our Country and has the privilege of voting could make the decision of to smoke tobacco?
I know as well as all of you that smoking can damage your health, but if a kid can take the chance of being blown apart by a land mine, he should be able, by his own choice, to smoke a cigarette.
Jim
That is a well and good. Sometimes we dont make the right choices and much more so when young and bullet proof. If a push is needed to avoid an addiction that will take a toll on a person's health, I say so much the better.
I haven't met any elderly smokers who have said, "I'm so glad I started smoking when young. It's the best choice I ever made."
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Old 05-11-2016, 03:44 PM
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It doesn't take much brains to figure out that smoking is bad for your health. All the same, I'm all about freedom and if someone wants to fire up, then the way I look at it, it's still America and more power to them if they're 18.
On the other hand, I don't buy all the "statistics" of where tobacco use is driving health care cost through the roof either and I'll tell you why......
Think about it. Forty years ago, nearly everybody smoked. Airplanes, hospital waiting rooms, grocery stores and about everywhere else you can think of. Heck, people who didn't smoke kept ash trays for those family members who did. Thankfully, it's no longer that way and that's a good thing but if you remember what you were paying for health insurance in 1980 I would bet it was nowhere near what you are paying now in comparison to what your wages were at that time.
There was 37 men working at my place of employment in 1986.......34 of them smoked. They paid $8.00 dollars a pay for health insurance. Today, we still have 37 men, only one smokes, and the health insurance is $300 dollars a pay. And what do the insurance reps say? Tobacco use is driving the cost up. Sorry, I'm not buying it.
I had two uncles who smoked and drank heavily and both died rather suddenly, at 59 and 62 respectively. Yes, they left this world before their time but they cost the health care system very little. On the other hand, a father of a co-worker, never smoked and never drank. At 74, he had a quadruple by-pass. Four years later, he was diagnosed with alzhiemers, and wasted away in a nursing home for eight years to the tune of 600,000 dollars. He cost the system way more than both uncles by hundreds of thousands of dollars and this very scene is playing itself out with frightening regularity.
My wifes' uncle has been a doctor for 40 years. I recently heard him say that 65% of health care cost is attributed to end of life care, so therein lies your answer. Everyone is living a lot longer than they used too and there is a price tag for that. Especially, if you take into consideration what percentage the baby-boomers account for in the make-up of our population.
Everybody is eating celery, lettuce and yogurt and instead of holding a cigarette they're walking around holding a bottle of water and our health care cost are going through the roof, c'mon?
It would be tough to be 18 or 19 and know that you would probably never make it back home. To drive through an IED, survive a mortar attack or see your best friend killed would probably make a guy want a cigarette in a bad way. A lot of guys in the service get put in situations where that is about all they've got to look forward to; that and a cup of coffee. So, if some kid is giving his all to keep my family and I safe, I'll not lose any sleep if he needs a smoke after a hard day.
Please remember, it may be your tobacco today, but tomorrow it will be your alcohol, then your coke, and on and on until all you have left are the chains that bind you.....tis' the way of liberalism.
I haven't met to be confrontational or cavalier........I just wanted to get peoples gears turning a little bit based on research and observations I have made.
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Old 05-11-2016, 04:32 PM
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Jtrapper, I dont think the cost of health care is because of tobacco only. They say we have the best health care in the world. If that true or not I can't say. I know technology costs big bucks especially in the medical field. The next thing that drives insurance costs up is the litigation involved in potential law suits, many of them frivolous.

I'm also in favor of less government interference in a person's life but this is a no brainer. At worst the people who chose to smoke can and probably will, but they'll have to wait three years to be legal. When a person signs up for the service they lose many of the "rights" that us civilians whine about such as free choice.

God bless those who have choose to serve..... Thank you!
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Jtrapper, I dont think the cost of health care is because of tobacco only. They say we have the best health care in the world. If that true or not I can't say. I know technology costs big bucks especially in the medical field. The next thing that drives insurance costs up is the litigation involved in potential law suits, many of them frivolous.

I'm also in favor of less government interference in a person's life but this is a no brainer. At worst the people who chose to smoke can and probably will, but they'll have to wait three years to be legal. When a person signs up for the service they lose many of the "rights" that us civilians whine about such as free choice.

God bless those who have choose to serve..... Thank you!
Very true Sir......my point was tobacco seems to get the bulk of the blame and my suspicions are that it is more of a "bandwagon" thing than the actual truth. We have probably all had family members who are no longer with us because of smoking and that is sad to say the least.
As for the service members, you are correct in the regard that they most certainly give up a lot of the rights the rest of us enjoy.......their sacrifices are many. God Bless!
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I say the point is that the younger crew no longer wants to care for their parents. None of you remember Grandpa or Grandma living at home with everyone else, NOT the Retirement home? Just think about it fellas....
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I say the point is that the younger crew no longer wants to care for their parents. None of you remember Grandpa or Grandma living at home with everyone else, NOT the Retirement home? Just think about it fellas....
I'm old enough to remember some grandparents staying with the parents but young enough to have caught the tail end of it so to speak.
Sadly, you are correct, as this practice seems to be a thing of the past.
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We hear the same comment about buying handguns-not before 21 at dealer..

I had a buddy that joined the Marines in the early 60s. They would hear "smoke em if you got em" at break time. Otherwise you got to stand in formation--everyone smoked. We are now paying for it.
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The formation call I remember best was "take ten, expect five, get two!' Since that particular drill sergeant also smoked-it was usually a full ten! Do any of you remember "field stripping" a filtered cigarette butt?
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