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Old 08-11-2016, 11:49 PM
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Female Sailor Captured by Iran Awarded Bravery Medal for Pushing Beacon Button - Justin Holcomb

So she was awarded a medal for bravery(?) for pressing the ¨Houston we have a problem¨ button? Wow.

Heck, girl that was a neat but I bet hard thing to do, was it not? - Wonder who would have thought of doing that in the heat of the battle to save the vessels from being taken just willy-nilly.

Question: Is the US at war with Iran? The report certainly implies that. If not then surely this was an act of piracy? One can imagine the ransom money that was paid for the release of the hostages by the pirates.

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Old 08-12-2016, 01:09 AM
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That seems a bit strange.maybe she used one of there heads to press it.
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Old 08-12-2016, 01:20 AM
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Getting a medal for getting caught and losing valuable equipment to the enemy?
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Old 08-12-2016, 02:44 PM
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As typical, someone with no idea or no concern, seems to have concern. Why?? The medal awarded in this case is not a particularly high award and is one awarded to most service members whether in for 3 or 20 years.

There's nothing wrong with awards earned (not given) and I can assure all you experts, hers was reviewed and approved by an O5, minimum.

You and me have no inside information on what actually occurred or what she actually did. I wish her a long and effective career and appreciate her service to my Nation.

Keep your yap shut about things that don't concern you and MY nation.
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As typical, someone with no idea or no concern, seems to have concern. Why?? The medal awarded in this case is not a particularly high award and is one awarded to most service members whether in for 3 or 20 years.

There's nothing wrong with awards earned (not given) and I can assure all you experts, hers was reviewed and approved by an O5, minimum.

You and me have no inside information on what actually occurred or what she actually did. I wish her a long and effective career and appreciate her service to my Nation.

Keep your yap shut about things that don't concern you and MY nation.
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All that can be said at this point is thank you to our service men and women. We civilians are in no position to judge those willing to give all, if the task requires it.
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Every Service Member, both Past and Present, has Signed a 'Blank Check' to our Government for anything up to and including their Life. Most don't get 'Cashed' for the Maximum Value pledged.

Civilians Who have Never been in the Military Services just don't understand this concept.

I, as most Service People, have Sworn a Number of times throughout my Service to "Uphold and Defend The Constitution and Laws of the United States of America against all Enemies both Foreign and /domestic". As a Retired Service Member, I still feel Obligated to that Oath.

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Tnhunter if you are refering to my coment then you might be surprised how much the out come of events in 'your' nation has to do with my nation , aside from our forces working tegether there are a lot of things that afect have afected and will continue to afect me from my school years were my year level was used as a experiment to see if a failed usa idea would work in aus to the fact i can not sell a bullock because of its dildren levels which as far as i no a part of the trade agreements between usa and oz for growing rice , so you see i and a lot of other (millions apon millions) people are afected by what happens in other countries including 'yours'.
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¨All that can be said at this point is thank you to our service men and women. We civilians are in no position to judge those willing to give all, if the task requires it.¨

Indeed, CH, and to read that there is criticism against the men and women in action in my posted concern is wrong. Certainly there is criticism implied against level 05 military managers. There are men and woman who did and do give all - truly brave soldiers who fight against all odds and by their singular brave actions save the day and the lives of their comrades. Those people get medals for bravery and they truly have earned it. It is an insult to these soldiers to hand out medals or receive presidentially staged publicly accoladed adulation and getting promoted by level 05 commanders for having been caught off guard and taken prisoner. The similar case of sergeant Bergdahl who also was taken prisoner and abducted and then released is one that comes to mind. We must never insult the medal or the true earner of such medal.

¨As typical, someone with no idea or no concern, seems to have concern. Why?? The medal awarded in this case is not a particularly high award and is one awarded to most service members whether in for 3 or 20 years.¨

Tennessee et al: you also miss the crux of my post. By calling that award for bravery ¨not a particularly high award¨ you denigrate not only that honourable medal but certainly insult those who have during true acts of bravery in combat truly earned and received it. The brave actions of those recipients at the time are evaluated by you as not having been ¨particularly high¨? Maybe you want to reconsider your post. Having spent the better part of twenty years fighting against a communist enemy of the United States and all this great land had once stood for I am not ¨someone with no idea or no concern¨. I have social security number and investment in this land so I do have a concern.

¨There's nothing wrong with awards earned (not given) and I can assure all you experts, hers was reviewed and approved by an O5, minimum¨

And this is exactly my concern and reason for commenting on the media release regarding an award for bravery (¨in the face of the enemy¨ is normally added). Are the level 05 reviewers suddenly beyond criticism? Sergeant Bergdahl was also abducted and taken prisoner according to official reports but it appears that a lot of criticism was voiced right here in this very section against the adolation he received? I believe I may have read your own expression of discomfort?

You and me have no inside information on what actually occurred or what she actually did. I wish her a long and effective career and appreciate her service to my Nation.¨

You and I only have the official press release to the open media by the military regarding the circumstances under which the 05s deemed it a requirement to award the medal for bravery. Being in the open media it is certainly allowed by the Bill of Rights to be evaluated dispassionately and commented on. My comment was not against her - and having been a military commander I also wish her a successful career.

¨Keep your yap shut about things that don't concern you and MY nation.¨

Wow, Tennessee, I did not attack your nation, meaning your president or you or or the ¨greatest democracy on earth¨or its Constitution. In fact I am one of the open defenders of YOUR constitutional rights. The forum and this particular section (Quote: News concerning our men in uniform...) and its subscription to the Bill of Rights invites and allows members´evaluation and comment on happenings in the military. It certainly does not invite or condone or allow disparaging insults on other members - and I most pointedly refrain from doing that.

MY nation assisted YOUR nation in every war I can think of. After Korea YOUR nation´s Air Force at every official parade and before the touching rendering of the ¨Star Spangled Banner¨ was done by the band, by order from the highest level to every USAF base commander in the whole of the USA, played the first four bars of my nation´s national anthem in honour of the exceptional service and sacrifices the South African Air Force rendered in ensuring a safe airspace over your nation´s forces on the ground. Before that in every world war we fought alongside your nation´s forces with distinction. We fought Cuba for you in Angola, requested to do so by your nation. As we speak men from my country are active in the most dangerous operations in Iraq and Afghanistan in protection of US convoys, etc. Civilians are flying supplies to your nation´s forces at advanced bases.

The facts go on, but that was not the reason I have critical views of the way the Pentagon is awarding accolades in cases like the capture and abduction of Sergeant Bergdahl and the issue under discussion - I certainly, without shame have this stern opinion about the honour of a medal for bravery and of the individuals who truly earned it. There are true brave individuals who must never be insulted by willy-nilly ¨bravery¨ awards and I shall never back down from this position. Of course if you or who ever have no concern for the insult this has on the medal or the true heroes who earned those it is your and their prerogative to feel that way, but do not insult those who understand what bravery in combat means.
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Old 08-13-2016, 01:55 AM
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Tennessee, are the posts in here criticism of your nation´s attitude to veterans who had once signed a ¨blank check¨?

https://www.shootersforum.com/milita...8-vets-va.html
¨This policy states that once a VET dies, his estate can and will be put in a position, that lets the VA recoup ALL MONEY SPENT ON THAT VET¨

Maybe you want to get onto them, sir. I mean those who criticise the system.
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I deleted my previous post. In no way do I mean to imply any disrespect for any fellow U.S. Military Service Member.

This quote actually speaks directly to my original point though.

"The medal awarded in this case is not a particularly high award and is one awarded to most service members whether in for 3 or 20 years."

Exactly. The likelihood is [that] this sailor would probably be awarded the same award regardless of the event she was involved in. So the "news report" was not really anything remarkable.

Navy Commendation Medal

Due to the "watering down" of the awards system in the U.S. military (started at least in the 1980s), many medals are awarded almost automatically. This was not always so. Look at the uniforms of most WWII combat veterans, which seem very Spartan in comparison to a modern day uniform display. At present, medals for valor, and the Purple Heart remain apart from this degradation.

There. I've exercised the First Amendment, which I spent 22 years actively defending.
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Old 08-13-2016, 07:31 AM
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Alright guys, let's not start a urinating contest about the system for awarding medals.
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Old 08-13-2016, 10:24 AM
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It's not that you signed up to give your life, but maybe that you tried to save lives as well.

My Doc didn't get any medals for his contributions as a Combat Medic in the 82nd, but he did get a participation ribbon for "helping" after the Haiti earthquake. Seeing the effects the carnage of a natural (or man caused) disaster has on the civilian population as a whole is in my mind much harder to deal with.

As a retired EMT-D from a very rural part of Montana, I know where he's coming from and all he got was a stupid ribbon and I got stinking a ball cap, but then neither of us did it for the accolades. Now when I walk down the street of my home town and meet someone who has no freaking clue who I am but I instantly recognize and think,"HEY!! I know you, I saved your life once!!!" Man oh man that makes me feel GOOD inside, but all that feeling of good can never replace the immense grief I still feel for the families of for those I could not save.

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I remember when those boats came back into Kuwait as I was asked to go inspect and service the two miniguns (Gunner's Mate checked the M2s) No one hosed these guns down with fresh water after they came it, guns weren't fired. A lot of politics and several up the food chain have been relieved. Glad something good finally coming out of that fubar.


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Tnhunter if you are refering to my coment then you might be surprised how much the out come of events in 'your' nation has to do with my nation , aside from our forces working tegether there are a lot of things that afect have afected and will continue to afect me from my school years were my year level was used as a experiment to see if a failed usa idea would work in aus to the fact i can not sell a bullock because of its dildren levels which as far as i no a part of the trade agreements between usa and oz for growing rice , so you see i and a lot of other (millions apon millions) people are afected by what happens in other countries including 'yours'.
I served with Australian and New Zealand military in my career, Somalia and the MFO. I wouldn't consider, as a retired military person, ever making a comment about another country's military or it's personnel on any public forum.

I did make some comments via PM to a couple people however and I stand firmly behind my personal convictions and respect for all who served, save those who choose to belittle others of whom they know exactly squat.
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The day the general public can not talk openly about any army in any form or any and all goverment bodies is the day when things have turned to do-do.which is the way of some countries.
My coment was it seems strange a person got a meddle of bravery for pushing a distress button and it does seem strange. As i pointed out by saying maybe she used some one head to push it , i think there is probably more to it.
But if there is not then i think it is strange!
What i don't get is you think because you have served and you are american you think you have more rights than others to coment and have an opinion on war and politics were others don't.
I just do not get that at all !
I don't (not won't) understand the atitude when you are strong on civil rights and the amendments.
Most people dont no this but the way victoria Australia was set up it was a lot better for the people and there rights than any were else i have heard of including usa, i'v seen it corupted from what it was (still very good) by people who dont care about others rights as much as there ideals so i understand !
I'm not saying you don't have logic or reason behind your attitude , i'm saying i don't get it , all i see is a path to oppression in the form of valour.

Glad thats over , now i can go back to making stupid coments about things i think are funny.
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Just for your information, That particular medal is rarely awardered for "bravery". I understand that as I was awarded one of my 4 for bravery. Not that it matters since you have no way of knowing why or how that particular award was merited. I'd suggest you keep your remarks based on what very little you actually know VS what you think you need to comment on. Mind you, simply this guy's personal opinion.

You and anyone else can comment on anyting you want, but your comment, as well as a couple others show you to be opinionated about things you know NOTHING of. Nothing, zilch, nada, nothing.

Heck, almost forgot. You have NO RIGHT to say anything about our military. Keep your remarks about yours.
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