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Old 03-19-2016, 03:31 PM
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Can't do that now!!!
I have to remain here to be a royal pain in the rear of the hot shots do nothings in the senate and congress.

Second reason is I heard Canada is not except Americans as citizens any longer. May need to research that one.
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This among other things I like hearing from Donald Trump,? About out Vets etc. Mo more Politicians BS us.? let a Successful Business Man given the chance to run Our Country.? Who really cares.?
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Old 03-22-2016, 03:21 AM
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You really think the Good Old People will let the Donald run for President in their party? Bet they don't, Party is already ganging up against him.
Good old Hilary the first woman president will prevail.
Betcha.
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What are US troops doing in Europe in any case?

Is it a US taxpayer paid holiday or does Europe pay the costs?

But the question remains what the heck are they doing there?

It is a fair question which needs a fair answer by the Pentagon to US taxpayers because it seems their commander has just advised them to "run, hide and [only] fight when it is necessary".

If they must run and hide from the enemy what the heck are they doing there?

No wonder when they come back from that holiday these "veterans of war" are expected by society and particularly by the VA to be psychologically unfit to be allowed 2nd Amendment rights.


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Wow. Telling troops to run away from danger and not engage an enemy combatant?

Unbelievable.
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Political Rant Start: Sounds like the Strategy of the Obama Administration. End Political Rant.

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Problem is we can laugh but is it another well placed nail into the coffin of the US military. Even sadder, the tax paying public puts up with it meaning there is no opinion and therefor quiet agreement.

The very most obvious one is the almost general attitude by the VA that every person returning from anywhere where he had worn a uniform should display post traumatic stress disease and then by default you are put on anti-depressants and should you for some reason not suffer from PTSD there is something psychologically seriously wrong with you and you should be counseled and also declared unfit to own any firearm.
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Problem is we can laugh but is it another well placed nail into the coffin of the US military. Even sadder, the tax paying public puts up with it meaning there is no opinion and therefor quiet agreement.

The very most obvious one is the almost general attitude by the VA that every person returning from anywhere where he had worn a uniform should display post traumatic stress disease and then by default you are put on anti-depressants and should you for some reason not suffer from PTSD there is something psychologically seriously wrong with you and you should be counseled and also declared unfit to own any firearm.
Not exactly-I'll give you an example. I have a pretty advanced arthritic condition, and manage to deal with the pain during the daytime, but at night it keeps me awake---And, here we go---In order to get anything for sleeping problems---YOU HAVE TO SEE A SHRINK! Now, some may feel that I need one, but if I do, it's not because I can't sleep! You see, anything other than the obligatory six month "exam" from your primary care doctor, has to be handled by a SPECIALIST! And that means coming back in three-four weeks to see him/her! A whole lot can happen during these lapses! But back to my point---Their (the VA) attitude seems to be that you are the enemy, and that you will do anything to mislead them in order to obtain pain medication! They act like it is their sincere hope that you be a good soldier and DIE before your next appointment! Now, the personnel who actually provide the treatments don't usually feel that way---It's the BEAN COUNTERS in the Administrative offices that seemingly have that attitude! These good people are the ones that have to toe the line with the polititions! I know that there are a lot of Vets on this forum-maybe mostly, but if any of you guys has had a different experience with the Administrative part of the VA, I'd value your opinion.
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BSB it seems what you share here exactly supports my view that the VA system does not want solid, sane, feet on the ground ex soldiers as part of stable society and want to put whatever tag they can onto each one. There is talk about the VA declaring all veterans as implicitly unsuited to enjoy 2nd Amendmend rights.

During our protracted war against Cuba in Angola it was what we called "Citizen Force" (the old commando system as was used against the British) that would be called in to execute whatever specialist operation was necessary and a month later would return to their civilian businesses and jobs and carry on with their lives.

The daily foot soldiers on the ground who had to bear the brunt of the war were kids out of school who were "called up" for two years compulsory military service. They all became men and after the two years would go to university or trade training as each one's calling was, became part of a stable economy and rarely did you ever hear of a PTSD case. There was a job to be done and it was done and life went on afterwards.

There is this story I was told by an old Englishman in old Rhodesia:

England made war to rule the world, Americans (used to) make war to save the world, Australia made war because England told them to, and you South Africans seem to make war for the h*ll of it.
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Just the reasons I have said and why your congress person and senator should get weekly letters asking them to straighten out the whole VA system.
No way in the world should an American veteran be treated the way most of us have been when, we tax payers spend billions every year in foreign aid.
Every vet should always be entitled to see a Doctor not a dam nurse. Every vet should be entitled to a timely appointment not wait 30 days.
Every disabled vet should be entitled to free medicine with no co pay.
Every disabled vet should be entitled to any equipment they need to live a productive happy life free of charge.
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It's most certainly depressing to me to hear these horror stories from those that served. I'll simply add that I knew the deal when I signed the dotted line. The government did not promise me "anything".

I served a long time for some very specific reasons, again knowing them when I signed the dotted line.

No such horror stories from me.
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Between the housing bubble and 2008 recession some of us who trusted other people to handle our money have no choice the va and social security is all some of us have left.
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I was like Tnhunter for years-until I became disabled and could no longer afford the health insurance that I had! And a lot of other circumstances can cause the vet to need the VA for his/her first line health care! Also, if you'll recall, not everyone signed on the "dotted line" willingly, as some were DRAFTED! Not me though, I was just dumb. (kidding-I wanted to serve my country)
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Yup worked 30 miles from the Canadian border in 1966 when drafted. But it was the early years of Viet Nam and My dad had did his duty so was expected of me to do so also. I think if it had been 4 years later I would have skipped across the boarder. I know I heard my dad by 1970 question what those A holes in Washington were doing bombing and then stopping the north. Not allowing the troops to cross borders the chase the NVA. And he had heard enough from me and relations who had spent time there how useless the VN army and others were.

I had good health insurance but the company I had worked for 33 years and retired with full health benefits went belly up in 2010 so the health insurance went out the door. Lucky they had some how invested for our retirements so the pension was saved.

So today I am stuck with the crappy VA for all my costly health care, like it or not.
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Since the VA is actually still there to provide (as little as you appreciate it) I'd rather you call the company that screwed you "crappy" and appreciate what you're getting for nothing now. Go ahead and flame me, that's fine. I joined with no promises and served my country. I refuse to speak badly of the VA or the military because of personal circumstances completely unrelated to either.
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Contrary to what is belived the va use'se medicare money and I have paid medicare since it started in july of 65 am still paying it, it comes out of social security right off of the top and if you served you earned va care. that's not getting something for nothing.
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Contrary to what is belived the va use'se medicare money and I have paid medicare since it started in july of 65 am still paying it, it comes out of social security right off of the top and if you served you earned va care. that's not getting something for nothing.
First, thank you for your service kinnison.

I would suggest, however you review some more of the facts before claiming the V.A. administration is using any of "your" medicare money. And also, saying simply "if you served, you earned va care" is patently incorrect.

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Tn., There are some very dedicated people working at the VA, but that's not where the problems are! Because it is a product of and is, in fact a bureaucracy, there are the usual "Bean Counters" who justify their jobs by making life difficult for others! It's there!---All you have to do is open your eyes, and look for it! Just because, for instance, there is a sharp rise in the use of opiates by Vets, it is concluded that this situation isn't the "norm", so memos get circulated about the issue, and everyone, as usual, OVER-REACTS! Since Vietnam managed to come along when the majority of the "Baby Boomers" were of military service age, and lasted so long, there are, consequently, a H*LL of a lot of vets who are now of retirement age, and in need of pain relievers-whether for service related injury, or, more commonly just plain getten' OLD! However, it seems that the prevailing attitude is that any Vet who asks for pain relievers is a potential junkie! I, for one resent having to submit to a urine screening every time I have a lab appointment, and I'm sure there are many other vets who do also! After all, we aren't the ENEMY! Upon reflection, I'd like to add; In every other government department, when there is something wrong, we the taxpayers have always felt free to complain, so why should a negative experience with the VA be any different? It's not unpatriotic to air your feelings about things that are just plain WRONG! As a Vet, you have EARNED that right, which not even the POTUS has, because he never served!

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Way I see it the American vet is more entitled to tax payer money that some foreign country. I know when I went in I didn't expect any thing. But I was also young and dumb and did not realize when I got old and suffer from a service connected injury NO FAULT of my own I would be playing second fiddle to some foreign country for the money to treat Veterans with health issues.

American vets should come first then and only then should some foreign county get any American tax money.
And yes it is the bean counters who are in charge to the screwing of the American vets.
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