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Old 04-02-2015, 06:31 AM
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Last month I finally went to the VA-Hospital to help reduce the price costs of the insulin I must now take. It took us almost a whole afternoon to get paperwork to fill out and explain my presents their to the person at the desk.

I took those papers home to fill out and take back with me at a later date, however I never knew until I got to the very last page, that the VA has now adopted a new policy towards all VETS.

This policy states that once a VET dies, his estate can and will be put in a position, that lets the VA recoup ALL MONEY SPENT ON THAT VET!!!
Yes, they can and will "attach" themselves to your estate and take back any and ALL MONEY from your estate, before any of those, who you designated people in your recorded will. I had to read the fine print on the very last page, with a magnifying glass.
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Old 04-02-2015, 06:52 AM
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I never realized this, thanks for pointing it out.

Over the past 30 years my practice has been that as long as I have good insurance, I avoid the VA.
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:26 AM
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I will do some digging on this. I work for a retirement planning firm and I would guess 70% of our clients our vets. I have never heard of this and really hope it isn't true.
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Old 04-02-2015, 09:18 AM
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I never realized this, thanks for pointing it out.

Over the past 30 years my practice has been that as long as I have good insurance, I avoid the VA.
You might add good insurance AND a good doctor! My doctor died last year, and he was a good one who didn't mind making decisions, and now all general practitioners seem to be a "referral service" for the specialists! Well, anyway, that's why I now go to the VA! And I agree with other posters,---They really do suck!
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Old 04-02-2015, 09:39 PM
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Same here 7 RING.? I went to the VA once in the late 60's What a disaster.? First & last time.? Thank God for Medicare + a good Supliment insurance etc.?
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Last month I finally went to the VA-Hospital to help reduce the price costs of the insulin I must now take. It took us almost a whole afternoon to get paperwork to fill out and explain my presents their to the person at the desk.

I took those papers home to fill out and take back with me at a later date, however I never knew until I got to the very last page, that the VA has now adopted a new policy towards all VETS.

This policy states that once a VET dies, his estate can and will be put in a position, that lets the VA recoup ALL MONEY SPENT ON THAT VET!!!
Yes, they can and will "attach" themselves to your estate and take back any and ALL MONEY from your estate, before any of those, who you designated people in your recorded will. I had to read the fine print on the very last page, with a magnifying glass.
2bits, Can you be specific as to the VA forms and page numbers that indicate they will go after reimbursement of payments made to veterans? I am a 100% disabled Vietnam vet with multiple Agent Orange presumptive diseases. I have been receiving disability payments from the VA for some years now and have never been told or read about what you are saying, nor can I find anything on the "Net" about the subject.
I've had mixed results with the VA, but overall I feel I have been treated pretty well. I would encourage any vet with disabilities (especially related to Vietnam and Agent Orange) to contact the VA through the state agencies to look into their situation.
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Old 03-08-2016, 10:39 AM
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Going to the VA Hospital is tantamount to going to Hospice. I know several people who have gone there and died from medical issues that shouldn't have been fatal. A few years ago there was a heart surgeon working for the VA and he had a 100% death rate for every single by-pass surgery he performed. That was on the news and I believe in Readers Digest also. A very good life long friend of mine died a year and a half ago while under their "care". He was having trouble breathing for over a week and finally drove himself to the VA Hospital and was admitted over night. They told him the next day they were discharging him because there wasn't anything wrong with him. He called someone to come and get him and take him home (he lived alone) and he was too sick and weak to drive. He stayed with that person that day and that night but had to go back to the hospital the next day due to labored breathing and weakness. They put him back in for another day. The person who took him back there went to visit him the next day and when they got to his room he wasn't in his bed. They went to the nurse's desk and asked where he was. They told that person he'd died over night. They didn't even bother to call the person who took him there. As far as I can see, unless you're missing body parts and need rehab and prosthetics, you might as well go directly to hospice if you're just sick. This same hospital was putting a stent into my friend a couple of years earlier and lost the stent in him. They told him they didn't know where it ended up and didn't bother to find out. I guess it somehow got away from them. After he died they autopsied him and found that his lungs were severely damaged and full of blood and fluid from pneumonia. I guess their X-ray machine didn't work either, or their stethascpe.

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Old 03-08-2016, 11:22 AM
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I think this only applies to money owed to the VA, nothing to do with compensation.
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Old 03-08-2016, 12:02 PM
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I think this only applies to money owed to the VA, nothing to do with compensation.
That makes sense, i.e. VA loans for school, house, etc. Shouldn't be any different than borrowing from a bank or any other lending institution. If you die with an outstanding load it's payed out of your estate.
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:58 PM
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I'm not calling you a liar, but I'm not sure what you write is so. VA took care of my Dad for years. He had treatments, medication, home care and to top all of that VA even sent him money every month because his income wasn't at a certain level. When he passed away VA was very helpful and took care of all the bills. He was a veteran that served only 2 years back in the '50's. I am under VA care now and I didn't have to sign a "stack" of papers to get in. I'll have to go through the paperwork and see if I can find what you are talking about.
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Old 03-09-2016, 07:07 PM
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"Going to the VA Hospital is tantamount to going to Hospice."

This is totally wrong. Yes there are VA hospitals, Dr.'s, etc. that have had problems. But you can't lump them all together. I have been in the VA healthcare system for about 4 years now and have had excellent care. Better than some of the doctors that I was seeing in the civilian world. Most of the personnel seem to act like they can't do enough for you and they make me feel proud to have been in uniform.
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:28 PM
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"Going to the VA Hospital is tantamount to going to Hospice."

This is totally wrong. Yes there are VA hospitals, Dr.'s, etc. that have had problems. But you can't lump them all together. I have been in the VA healthcare system for about 4 years now and have had excellent care. Better than some of the doctors that I was seeing in the civilian world. Most of the personnel seem to act like they can't do enough for you and they make me feel proud to have been in uniform.
Just had a story on WIVB Ch.4 in Buffalo last night about sub standard treatment in the VA hospital and some people dying from misdiagnosis and poor care. It's nice that some people are receiving care they find acceptable, but many are not. You can check out the story by going to their website. This isn't news to anyone. It's been a national scandal for several years now and it's been under investigation. It's a national crisis, not a local one.
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Old 03-10-2016, 06:05 AM
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I am a disabled Vietnam vet. After I got laid off an engineering job and reverted to security work, I started to go to the VA.

I could not afford insurance and that offered by the security companies sucked.

I have had a few stays in the VA hospital and have had no problems with the care I have received.

I spent about a week in ICU after almost bleeding to death--wouldn't want to see the bill for that one and have been to the emergency room a couple of times. Most recently for double.hernia repair.

Never have had a problem except wait time sometimes for non emergency visits.
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Old 03-16-2016, 06:50 PM
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Just had a story on WIVB Ch.4 in Buffalo last night about sub standard treatment in the VA hospital and some people dying from misdiagnosis and poor care. It's nice that some people are receiving care they find acceptable, but many are not. You can check out the story by going to their website. This isn't news to anyone. It's been a national scandal for several years now and it's been under investigation. It's a national crisis, not a local one.
Read what I said, I wasn't saying it didn't happen nor that it was only local. It shouldn't happen but it does. But overall I believe that VA is doing a really good job. They really took good care of my Dad and I am getting good treatment from them. I can only speak from my experience. It is just like when I was in the Army. I needed funds to help bury my son, Went to Army Relief Society and they basically told me that I should have money saved up to cover expenses like that. Went to American Red Cross and they couldn't help me enough. They even wrote off the loan a year later. Now I have had people tell me that the opposite happened with them. It depends on the people running each location. I donate to American Red Cross every year and won't give one dime to ARS. Others I know feel the opposite. So it is also with the VA.
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Old 03-16-2016, 08:00 PM
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All Government units are made up of Individuals with Varying outlooks and opinions of their Job and Purpose in the Organization. Some will try to discourage patronage out of some personal Bias; whole Others will bend over backwards to insure the Best Results possible for the Veteran.
I have been using the V.A. for some care since 1984 and as my Primary Care since about 2009. I have had mixed experiences mostly good but an occasional poor one.
One "peeve" I have is the V.A. is not allowed to access Classified Records of Service or Exposure.
Example: Late WW2 and Post WW2 the Military used Troops in Atomic Tests but classified The records as Top Secret. Those Troops were Exposed to heavy doses of Ionizing Radiation and Suffered Health problems as a result but could not prove Service Connection so were denied V.A. coverage.
This continued until the records began to be declassified about 1986 and later.
Example: Agent Orange Exposure in Vietnam was not recognized by the V.A. until the records were declassified and Laws passed about 2000.
In both cases the majority of the injured Veterans had died before they were recognized as 'Service Connected Disabled'.
Saved the Government a who Passel of Money in Treatment and Benefits NOT delivered.

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LOBO I hear you went to the VA only once in the late 60' after I got out that was enough.? What a cluster F. it was the waiting time paperwork etc etc.? I did better on Medicare & early Disability.? Due to a job related injury.? This is what Donald Trump is talking about.? He makes sense about the VA Hospitals & the treating of our Veterans etc. I am voting for him in Nov.I do not see,? Or hear any other Politicians say the same thing like he does.? When you get a chance Rent the Movie Article 99 about the VA Hospitals,? And its Corruptions etc.? Based on a True account.?

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Old 03-16-2016, 09:09 PM
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All Government units are made up of Individuals with Varying outlooks and opinions of their Job and Purpose in the Organization. Some will try to discourage patronage out of some personal Bias; whole Others will bend over backwards to insure the Best Results possible for the Veteran.
I have been using the V.A. fro some care since 1984 and as my Primary Care since about 2009. I have had mixed experiences mostly good but an occasional poor one.
One "peeve" I have is the V.A. is not allowed to access Classified Records of Service or Exposure.
Example: Late WW2 and Post WW2 the Military used Troops in Atomic Tests but classified The records as Top Secret. Those Troops were Exposed to heavy doses of Ionizing Radiation and Suffered Health problems as a result but could not prove Service Connection so were denied V.A. coverage.
This continued until the records began to be declassified about 1986 and later.
Example: Agent Orange Exposure in Vietnam was not recognized by the V.A. until the records were declassified and Laws passed about 2000.
In both cases the majority of the injured Veterans had died before they were recognized as 'Service Connected Disabled'.
Saved the Government a who Passel of Money in Treatment and Benefits NOT delivered.

Best Regards,
Chev. William
That's the way I see it too! Too many of us never get around to being seen, as when the difficulty becomes acute, a local ER is utilized---Hopefully with a survivable outcome! However, once seen or admitted, I've found the care to be very good! It's the bean counters that are the problem, just like their studies about the huge increase in opiates being prescribed in the last ten years---Get real!---It's because us "baby-boomers" have become old farts, and hurt a lot more than they can understand in their "studies"!
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An Even Newer Example is the treatment of Iran and Afghanistan Campaigns Veterans.
Complaints of None Obvious Injuries wre Dismissed as being "malingering" early on even though similar Reported Exposures in the USA would have been Investigated By OSHA and EPA early on.
Things like the Burning Oil wells of the "Kuwait and south Iran 'liberation', the Chemical Laden Smokes from Disposal Burn Pits, Chemical Dusts and Vapors Exposures in searching Weapons storage facilities for WMD (components,such as precursor Chemicals, Weapon Casings, fuses, Mixing and charging Equipment, etc., WERE Found and Documented, just not Assembled, Ready to Deploy, Armed WMD).

Saddam had a History of using Chemical WMD on both his own Citizens and on Enemy forces (the Iraq=Iran Conflict and the Kurds for Instances), Had stockpiled components so they could be Kept in Reserve, adn Threatened to use them again if the USA invaded. His Generals risked Death to evade his orders to mix and deploy Chemical WMD in the Second "Gulf War" since Bush 43 had Publicly told them the consequences if they WERE used.

Video Records of The Components found were made, and Restricted by our Government to briefing Those With a potential "need to know" in case of Spills but not released to the General Media or Public to prevent 'Mass Outrage' and possible 'Riots'. It seems Even Bush 43 didn't trust the American People with Full Knowledge of what was Found. and his Successor Seems to prefer a Lie to the Truth in many instances.

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Old 03-19-2016, 05:15 AM
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I collect a 10% disability check from the VA from Viet Nam. I had good insurance up to 2007 in my work place and when I retired so Only went to the VA for my annual check up to keep the disability checks going. This was at the Saginaw VA hospital Saginaw Michigan. First two years I was seen and checked by a real doctor and since it was a demand performance they paid travel pay. Then the company I had worked for went bankrupt and I lost my good health insurance. I was forced to rely on the VA for much of my health needs. I got switched to a team and no longer was seen by a real doctor a nurse practiner took over and she had a altitude out of this world. One of the tecs that drew blood also was the pits and it felt like she was using a jack hammer to drive the needle in to draw the blood. When I refused to allow her to do it I was placed on a suicide watch and parked in a room alone for hours. My congressman started receiveing weekly letters on the treat meant VETS receive from the VA . Next they start trying to deny me travel pay. Finally I was able to get closer to home thru my counties Veteran affairs office.
At the new place in Flint Michigan I again have a real doctor, the person who draws the blood does a good nearly pain less job. But the service still sucks. Had a appointment I had been waiting a month to have come around canceled for no reason, would have to wait 45 days to get a new one, I took what they had but said to self FTS and called my congress person and raised holy *ell with her, called the Senator and raised Holy *ell with him. Got a call from the VA who some how found a appointment time 12 days later for me.
Still fed up with the VA but have no other choice really for my health care.

I take a med that caused dysentery, to counter that I take another drug which I have to pay a copay for, Another drug for nerve damage is no longer covered under my disability so again I pay for that.

I am not bitching for just my self when I send out my weekly letters to those JERKS in Washington with full health coverage for life. I send them out for every vet that has served their country, still alive and may need heath coverage and special equipment to allow a little bit of happiness in life.

We put our life on the line for our country defied death to protect that country Yet as vets we can not even get complete no cost health coverage like those clowns in Washington. We have to pay for meds we have to take so to off set effects of other meds we have to take.
I am a luck one but many have to rely on donations to have ramps built so they can get into and out of their house, ramps installed in a van with special controls so they can drive.

If we (our country) can give billions and billions of dollars out in foreign aid we sure in *ell should be able to take care of the veterans of this country far better than we do
Flood congress and th senate with letters demanding better for veterans.

I feel betrayed, knowing now known then I would be a Canadian citizen.
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