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Old 03-04-2017, 06:59 AM
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anyone try Speer 300 jfnin 45LC+p for rifle


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Buffalo Bore makes a stout +P load for ruger pistols and any modern 1892 rifles that shoot 1700fps out of rifles. The bullet looks like its a Speer 300gr JFN BUT the diameter is .451 .My Winchester Miroku barrel is most probably a .452. Should I expect poor groups?
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Old 03-06-2017, 02:29 PM
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Yup! If for nothing else, its going to be a "flinchomatic". Speer makes a Gold Dot bullet for reloading, which will work nicely at classic 45 Colt velocities. IIRC, its a 250 gr.
Jacketed H.P. I believe that Rossi Puma gave up on their 454 Casull M-92s because the mag tubes were parting company with their barrels, on a regular basis. In Winchester's big M-1886's, the mag tubes are threaded into the receivers, for that very reason.
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Old 03-07-2017, 07:05 AM
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My rifle is the 1892 Miroku/ Winchester. So I just wanted to know if you were able to get good groups with it being its a .451 OD instead of .452
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Old 03-07-2017, 05:00 PM
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I've loaded and shot dozens of 44 mags with a 300 JFN in my 92's. I've also made up some 300-350 gr LFNGC loads in R-P 44 spl cases loaded with W296 running 1500 fps. No reason you can't use these weights in a 45LC in a Rossi 92. Accuracy has never been a problem

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Old 03-08-2017, 05:15 AM
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OK, its not the weight Im worried about . Its the .451 OD versus .452" OD. Guess I will have to just try them for myself. Thanks for your replys.
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Old 03-08-2017, 09:37 AM
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CVarcher, Probably the only way would be to buy a box and try them out on paper. All of the bores will be about the same. Its the riflings' lands, and it's grooves' depths, which usually change. BB was afraid of some foreign undersized riflings building pressures beyond what their lawyers would allow them to sell. These suckers were never intended to be competition bullets, anyway.

But on the other hand, you will have to sight your light weight carbine in, over a bench, or rest. If you pick up a flinch doing this, then no they won't be accurate, ( for you ). If you could lay a blanket over the top of a car, and use this as a rest,while you're standing up, then your bod can accept a lot more recoil for a few shots needed to sight the carbine in. But you really have to be out in the sticks to get away with something like this. And BTW, never, ever, do this over the hood of an old Ford Bronco.

And of course, there is a limit to what this will let you do. One unfortunate sport, out on the Palouse Prairie tried this with a single shot 50 BMG rifle, resting over the roof of a Studebaker, and ended up on his behind, about ten feet away. And as for an older Bronco, remember there's an engine under that hoodie thing.

I watched one of these happen, after the shooter blew off my warnings. "He couldn't see any problems through his scope", say Parallax! I just shook my head, and walked behind the Ford, before he shot at a down hill target. And the other was a story circulating between some R.O.'s at the LCWC range outside of Lapwai, Id. One shot peeled the front fender down to the beading at the wheel well, and the other exploit, destroyed their Bronco's battery, and there they sat. Both were just "another day at play", out in the sticks.

The Moral here is to just be happy shooting whatever ammo, that the maker intended for their product to be used with. And then sight them in over a bench, at a rifle range. If you need that much P#$p, go buy a Marlin 1895 in 45-70G, and load 400 gr. jacketed bullets for it. Like I mentioned in my first reply, Rossi Puma gave up selling a 454 Casull, chambered M-92 carbine, since their mag tubes wouldn't stay put.
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Old 03-08-2017, 12:16 PM
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Funny stuff!! Well I have shot 250gr Hornady XTPs at 1830fps with no flinches so I must be pretty close .Im just looking for a load that will go across 100 yards without a huge drop in trajectory. Maybe 3" tops. I have some 240 xtp mags but Im not sure I like the groups. Using Lil Gun and 2400. So i thought ID try a differant bullet and noticed BBA s 260gr and 300gr JFN.
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Old 03-08-2017, 03:38 PM
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I have shot them and several other +p lc rounds in my Rossi long colt with no problems, or flinches and good accuracy. My .44 mag and 45-70 recoil way more by the way.
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Old 03-08-2017, 06:55 PM
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Like I mentioned in my first reply, Rossi Puma gave up selling a 454 Casull, chambered M-92 carbine, since their mag tubes wouldn't stay put.
**** they won't stay put with 44's either. 'Specially with heavy bullets !
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Old 03-10-2017, 10:44 AM
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Baddad457, You don't say! Before I made up my Post 64 Wildcatted 44 x 356BB, I was seating 330 soft, G.C.'d slugs out to 1 & 7/8th's inch, C.O.A.L. in a pre 64, M-94, re-barreled into the 44-40 Win. As I've noted before, those were running a close second to the early 300 gr. 45-70g ammo, which were suitable for Trapdoors. But my 94's with 44 cal. holes down their barrels are very close in weight and balance to M-92's.

My custom mold drops GC slugs which are just long enough, in the 44WCF's case necks, to still seal off the lube. When I later used them in my 44 x 356BB wildcat, they were long enough to make up the difference between the 307BB and the 30-30 Win. cartridge cases.

When I had the mold made by the short lived P&C outfit in Pittsburgh, there weren't any 307BB's. So it was serendipity that the later case mated so nicely with my custom lead bullets. The magazine cutoff in the floor plate of a Post 64, M-94 doesn't hold the larger diameter case in the mag tube, correctly. So the C.O.A.L has to be dead on.

If I do another one, maybe I can find the correct floor plate and blend it into a pre - angle ejector, top ejector receiver. Shooting these left handed, means that I can look straight down the cut out receivers of the angle ejectors. I can even see a glint of yellow brass, if the light's behind me, just right.
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