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Old 04-30-2011, 09:25 AM
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On a different forum a member mentioned he was shooting at 100 yards off shooting sticks at a paper plate. His groups were impressive. Since he was shooting a Lyman Great Plains Rifle .50 caliber flintlock with peep sights, I wanted to try and duplicate his equipment. I should have re-read his post before heading out. It seemed I failed in most of that. In fact not even close. At least I got the paper plate right. And I did use shooting sticks.

Distance : 92 yards.
Weather: perfect.. 60 degrees, little wind and sunny
Rifle: T/C Renegade stock with a .58 caliber GMB 1-70 twist
Ignition: percussion cap (Huntaway used a flintlock.. again was wrong)
Caps: Winchester Magnum #11 caps
Powder: Graf's & Sons Black Powder 2f 110 grains (got that right)
Projectile: .570 Speer 284 grain roundball
Patch: 100% cotton pillow tick with moosemilk lube
Shooting Position: Seated in a resin lawn chair off shooting sticks.

I set the target up.. a standard white paper plate on a cardboard backing so it would be visible from 100 yards. I was sure I was at 100 yards and shot my first shot.



The three hits you see on the cardboard are from the other way through.. they had nothing to do with this shooting today. To say I was not pleased would be a lie. I loaded again and shot a second shot.



Now I was pumped... And just for kicks I went into the house and got my lazer range finder. It read 92 yards. I was shocked.. 92? Then I remembered I had move the bench when cleaning the yard and the target was infront of the huge puddle back there, not behind it. So again, I failed at the distance. But I was determined to have fun anyway.

When I loaded the next time, I detected a good amount of fouling in the bore but shot anyway.



I loaded again and this time pushed the ball into fouling. But fired it anyway. The two hits are the ones to the right of the X which by the way, at 92 yards I could not see anyway. I was holding a 6 o'clock hold dead center in that paper plate.

So then I started swabbing with 70% isopropyl alcohol after every two shots. I was sure that the other shooter shot ten rounds. So I did the same. Again, swabbing after every two shots.

After ten rounds I walked down and checked the target. I was actually very pleased even though I was off by 8 yards. The group was more then satisfactory for me. But I should note.. I do a lot of shooting off sticks and to me, they are almost as solid as a bench stand. I hunt from them in a blind and even use the same chair. Also this rifle is a great shooting rifle.

The one hit outside the paper plate was me shooting off my elbow at the target. Didn't even hit the plate. I was bummed.




You can see the bench back there by the side of the house... Or maybe you can't.. but its back there.





That is my homemade shooting sticks. Made from a 2x4-4ft. And that little white dot way in the back is I think the paper plate. Over all that was a lot of fun shooting today.



One other thing.. cleaning after shooting black powder. The first four patches were from the water bath. The fourth looking pretty good. So then the 5th is a Birchwood Casey Muzzle Magic #77 cleaner. Look at what it pulled from an apparent clean bore. Something to think about you water bath to a white patch and stop people.

Then I ran an alcohol patch for #6 and the discoloration is more from being wet, but you can see that the alcohol did bring out some more fouling. The next were two dry patches. One the final dry patch it came out clean, so I put Breakfree CLP on that, and swabbed the bore. That came out clean as well.

The point I am trying to make is.. you use a water bath and have a clean patch.. Sometimes it pays to go a little further then that. I like that Birchwood Casey #77. That will normally bring out fouling if there is any in there. And I think the final dry patches might have been picking up fouling from the jag as well.
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Interesting post and good shooting. How does the .58 compare in recoil to the .54?
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Old 04-30-2011, 04:02 PM
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The .58 IMO is no more in recoil then the .54 caliber. Even with a good stout load it handled fine.
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Thanks for the reply. I allways find your posts interesting and informed. I was considering a .58 when I first took up muzzleloading but off the rack rifles were the only thing around so I went with Lyman in .54.

Now that most of the snow is gone I will have to try out the shooting off sticks as well.
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Good work can be done from cross sticks. We use them shooting BPC rifles at a lot farther than 100 yards. Good job cayugad!
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Old 05-01-2011, 06:10 AM
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Thanks for the reply. I allways find your posts interesting and informed. I was considering a .58 when I first took up muzzleloading but off the rack rifles were the only thing around so I went with Lyman in .54.

Now that most of the snow is gone I will have to try out the shooting off sticks as well.
While the .58 is a big awesome caliber, the ball alone being 284 grains, the .54 still is my favorite roundball caliber. I own several .54 caliber ball rifles. All of them shoot great. When I deer hunt, I usually shoot a .54 roundball. They just get the job done. You made a great choice in the caliber and the make of the rifle. I have three Lyman rifles and every one of them shoot excellent, their lock speed is one of the best off a production rifle I have seen, and are a well balanced rifle.

I am currently considering a custom rifle. I have a variety of calibers, but I am stuck on whether a .54 caliber or .58 caliber. Both are good shooter, both I can cast my own ball, and both will get the job done. Also if any of you have input on barrel makers, I have a choice of a Green Mountain Barrel which I am very aware of, and have nothing but good things to say about them, but the other is a DeHass barrel. I have done a little reading on them and they sound very good. I even (since it is custom) have considered getting a DeHass in a .50 caliber but with a 1-24 twist for shooting conical out of the flintlock. That might make a very interesting rifle. And personal experience you might have on a DeHass barrel would be appreciated.
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