.243 or .22-250 for PA woodchucks. - Shooters Forum
» Advanced

Go Back   Shooters Forum > Hunting > Northeast Hunting
Register FAQ Members List Donate Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read



Like Tree15Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-20-2016, 02:48 PM
Irv S's Avatar
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Colorado/Pennsylvania
Posts: 2,398
Question .243 or .22-250 for PA woodchucks.


Registered Users do not see the above ad.


In past years, I only shot the woodchucks burrowing under my farm building with a shotgun to get rid of them, but the last few times I've been there, I noticed they were eating a lot of the soybean plants. The farmer neighbor who leases and farms the fields is blaming the damage on deer, but the damage, except for that bordering the woods, is generally associated with woodchucks that have burrows in adjoining un-tilled strips. So, this year I'm thinking of taking a "Varmint" rifle along on my trips there. Most shots will probably be between 100 and 300 yards, so which rifle should I take - my .243 with 80 gr bullets or .22-250 with 55 gr bullets? Also coyotes there.

Last edited by Irv S; 04-20-2016 at 02:52 PM. Reason: correct title error
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-20-2016, 03:09 PM
bsn bsn is offline
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Western VA
Posts: 1,580
22-250 with light varmint bullets would be my choice but ether would be fine.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-20-2016, 03:37 PM
nsb nsb is offline
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: WNY
Posts: 3,041
Flip a coin Irv. Either will suffice for what you have planned. I own both and have shot a lot of woodchucks with each gun. My thinking for the last several years that the .243 out shines the 22-250 at extremely long ranges. The smaller bullet sheds velocity and energy sooner at long range. However, almost all of the shots I ever get are within range of either.
broom_jm and Easternhunter like this.
Reply With Quote
 
  #4  
Old 04-20-2016, 03:45 PM
243winxb's Avatar
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 420
243 for the wind.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-20-2016, 04:20 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: UPSTATE NY
Posts: 835
Glad they still have some Woodchucks in PA.? I have not seen many to none.? In my Area for years,? Due to the Coyote, Population,? Cleaning them out.? I love Woodchuck Hunting. Iv'e used My Rem 700 in 22/250,? with 55 Gr. V- Max Bullets,? With 33 Gr. of IMR 3031,? For years,? @ 100 Yds.? This Load will cover a Dime.? Haven't used my 243 on them at all,? If I can still find some to shoot.? But the 243 is great on Coyotes etc.? I would go for the 22/250.? Have fun & Post some Photos of your Chuck kills etc.?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-20-2016, 06:46 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 9,554
Flip a coin or just pick either. I tend to favor the 22-250 just because I've had them so long, have high dollar dies and truckload of brass for 'em. Cant go wrong with either one!
Easternhunter likes this.
__________________
Still Learnin' as I go!

NRA Endowment Member
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-23-2016, 07:46 AM
alleyyooper's Avatar
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Michigan
Posts: 593
Talking

With me there would be no choice at all. I would start with which ever I wanted the shoot the most and then switch off to the other. I don't have a 22-250 just a 220 swift and a 243 so all is similar.
__________________
Al

Your not fully dressed with out a smile.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-23-2016, 07:55 AM
recoil junky's Avatar
Elk Whisperer (Super Moderator)
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Craig CO. Elk Hunting Capitol of the World!
Posts: 6,867
I had a 22-250 (700VLS) and it shot great, but like others stated, the wind can affect it, so I traded it for a .243 (also a 700VLS) which is legal (here in CO) for big game hunting. Now I have the best of both worlds, a dynamite (literally) varmint rifle and an excellent deer and antelope rifle.

RJ
nsb likes this.
__________________
Keep your powder dry and when you go afield take the kids and please..........wear your seat belts.
I am the ORIGINAL recoil junky , often imitated, but never equalled.
Proud Father of a SoldierMedic in The 82nd Airborne 325thAIR White Falcons
IUOE Local #9
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-23-2016, 02:40 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: West coast central Florida
Posts: 3,422
# of shots expected?

If it's a shot here & there I see no big difference, other than recoil. If it is that windy, it's not a good day to go regardless. Whichever rifle you own & shoot best would work fine, at the stated ranges. Of YOUR CHOICES 22-250. For me & MY rifles a 223 & a 243/25-06 backup. A good bipod/rest system would matter more to me
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-24-2016, 04:35 AM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,980
50 years ago in PA I got rid of the 222mag as it just wasn't killing good at 150 yards and beyond. Pa hogs can be big; and just to many were sliding down the hole. Got a heavy barrel 243 and never regretted it. In W. NY there are lots of long range hogs in the bean fields of the Genesee river valley; and the 243 works out to 553 yards.

this year I just bought a 222 for Pds under 200 yards; but will use it on some close walk around groundhogs. The 222 is accurate and lets you see the hit.

The 22 cf just 'blow around' too much at long range with cross winds.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-24-2016, 04:50 AM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 9,554
Actually the velocity and the ballistic coefficient isn't that much better on 6mm bullets until you get above 75 grains. Those are the two things that make the difference for bucking wind.
Jack and VThillman like this.
__________________
Still Learnin' as I go!

NRA Endowment Member
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 04-24-2016, 07:24 AM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Georgia
Posts: 1,799
MontyF makes an excellent point - you need to use some of the heavier varmint bullets in the 243 to be better in the wind than the 22 varmint cartridges. With 243 bullets in the 80 - 90 grain range, the 243 is better in the wind at long range. But, that really shows up beyond 300 yards. Since the poster was talking about 100 to 300 yards, the 22-250 or the 243 with light bullets (75 grain and under) would be my choice.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 04-24-2016, 06:58 PM
243winxb's Avatar
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 420
An 85 gr Sierra hpbt out of a 243 will let the spotter see a miss from the dirt flying. Not so with a 22. IMO.
Jack likes this.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 04-24-2016, 07:15 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 9,554
Quote:
Originally Posted by 243winxb View Post
An 85 gr Sierra hpbt out of a 243 will let the spotter see a miss from the dirt flying. Not so with a 22. IMO.
A 55gr.Vmax out of a 22-250 you'll be able to see the red mist flying, no need for a spotter IMO....
bsn, 243winxb and nachogrande like this.
__________________
Still Learnin' as I go!

NRA Endowment Member
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 04-24-2016, 07:28 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: West coast central Florida
Posts: 3,422
The other can of worms.

What scope?
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 04-25-2016, 05:25 AM
Irv S's Avatar
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Colorado/Pennsylvania
Posts: 2,398
The .243 Browning X-Bolt wears a 4-12X Leopold VX1 and may be the most most "accurate" rifle I've ever owned. Only fired 5 shots from it since I bought it during the ammo shortage a while back when I noticed .30-06, .270, and .243 ammo was still readily available. Two shot to get it sighted and then the last 3 touching at 100 yards.

The .22-50 Ruger M77 now wears a (old company) Redfield 3-12 Illuminator. Had problems with both earlier. The rifle has now been glass bedded and trigger tuned to a few ounces. The scope had previously been on a Ruger No 1 Weatherby .300 Magnum that had enough recoil even with a muzzle break to tear up its innards twice which is why I moved it to this rifle after the second (no-cost) repair by the old Redfield company. Rife hasn't been fired since (several decades?).

Hoping to get to the range today
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 04-25-2016, 06:39 AM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 9,554
Irv since your .243 is the more accurate rifle, it's the one I'd take. Not to say you shouldnt work on the Ruger 22-250 but maybe try it later if it comes around.
__________________
Still Learnin' as I go!

NRA Endowment Member
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 04-25-2016, 11:24 AM
Irv S's Avatar
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Colorado/Pennsylvania
Posts: 2,398
Decision made.

Very windy at the range, but the .243 still shooting sub-MOA with 80 grain bullets, though about 1/2" higher at 100 yards than when shot in PA over a year ago.

The .22-250 was a disaster. At 25 yards to get it on paper it was close to start and then moved randomly. I blame the scope, perhaps the reticle is loose again. I'll try another scope later this summer.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 05-12-2016, 04:14 PM
Irv S's Avatar
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Colorado/Pennsylvania
Posts: 2,398
Post

Took the .243 for first pa groundhog this pm. First shot it just rolled around, so shot it again -180 yds - if I were a new hunter, I would have thought either the cartridge was msrginal or the rodents got tougher.. Next one came out about 10 yds behind me - clean kill. So I figure the .243 is a close range gun.
Tnhunter likes this.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 07-08-2016, 04:41 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Behind the Iron Curtain Delaware
Posts: 97
Where are you in PA? I'll come help you! I haven't been chuck hunting in 20 years and it sounds like fun!
__________________
NRA Patron Member
NRA Certified Pistol Instructor
SCI Member
Life is tough... It's even tougher when you're stupid... John Wayne
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Unknown .243 worth the risk? Zanardi Rifles and Rifle Cartridges 83 02-13-2016 08:58 AM
.250 Savage build questions AllOutdoors.22 Gunsmithing 19 03-17-2013 02:55 PM
Hydrolic shock vs. Penetration for effective quick kills....in .243 Pegleg08 Rifles and Rifle Cartridges 17 12-31-2008 07:38 AM
Lets all lych the .243! Pegleg08 Rifles and Rifle Cartridges 1 12-24-2008 11:43 AM
.243 WSSM in a Ceska CZ 550 FS .243 Win dr_cerebro Rifles and Rifle Cartridges 3 10-27-2008 05:13 PM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:59 PM.

< Contact Us - Shooters Forum - Archive - Privacy Statement >

 
 

All Content & Design Copyright © 1999-2002 Beartooth Bullets, All Rights Reserved
Privacy Statement | Contact Webmaster
Website Design & Development By Exbabylon Internet Solutions
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1