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Old 04-24-2017, 03:15 AM
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Yep that 7x57 worked fine until it didn't. RIP.
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Old 04-24-2017, 12:03 PM
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Had enough????
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Old 05-05-2017, 04:53 AM
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If I was hunting Bear in season I would be carrying my Ruger #1 in 45-70 with a 425 gr. pile driver jr. in the chamber. That way if I shoot a bear in the right place it will be dead right there. If I shoot the bear in the wrong place it will be dead real close by. You can't overkill a bear.
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Old 05-06-2017, 11:31 AM
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I'm out in the woods a lot, year round in Moshannon State Forest. The one place that I often enjoy is where the Game Commission releases their "problem" bears.

While I haven't been actually hunting bears, I do run across them from time to time. Usually I get the look over, and sniff, then they turn and walk away. I am very aware, and looking around while in the woods, and surprise encounters are few and far between.

I carry a 1911 in 45ACP, with hand loads.
185gr. Sierra Tournament Masters clocking around 900FPS.

But I've never had to draw my pistol from the holster.
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Old 05-07-2017, 10:02 PM
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I am changing my philosophy of a woods gun. Phil Shoemaker's grizzly kill over a year ago with a 9 mm changes the game to deep penetration as the key above so called stopping power. In such, I am selling my 44magnum and going to a 10 mm semiauto instead.

Enough gun as Phil Shoemaker showed is a 9 mm with proper ammo. The 10 mm is nearly double the 9 mm and 15 + 1 ammo available vs 6 for the 44 magnum. Penetration and shot placement are the most important factors in what is enough gun.

https://www.americanhunter.org/artic...th-9mm-pistol/

I am also thinking a 308 semiauto is better with proper ammo getting 10+ rounds in a couple of seconds vs 2-3 with a lever rifle. I spoke to a semi-pro shooter at my gun store the other day and that is his new approach in the last couple of years as well. He now brings his 308 and leaves the 45-70 at home.

Surely this is a bit of deviation from conventional wisdom but there are more and more examples where shot placement and penetration with smaller than recommended calibers was "enough gun."

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Old 05-07-2017, 11:14 PM
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It goes without saying that shot placement with ANY calibre is the first priority. With the proper bullet and first class shooting, patience to get a perfect target stance, then a 308 Win would do the job, or a 7x57, but personally if I had to choose a 300 calibre, then I would take my 300H&H. Supreme accuracy and manageable recoil and just that little bit more able to shoot the heaviest bullets available in 30 calibre makes it a perfect choice.
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Old 05-08-2017, 07:11 AM
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It doesn't matter how many cartridges your pistol or rifle holds if the bear is close. They are wicked fast and a person might be lucky to get even one rushed shot off. All one can do Is hope that they have the right tool when needed.
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Old 05-16-2017, 05:47 PM
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I am selling my 44magnum and going to a 10 mm semiauto instead.

Enough gun as Phil Shoemaker showed is a 9 mm with proper ammo. The 10 mm is nearly double the 9 mm and 15 + 1 ammo available vs 6 for the 44 magnum. Penetration and shot placement are the most important factors in what is enough gun.
I am a HUGE proponent of the 10mm Auto. My CCW is a Glock 29, and in that, I never, EVER feel less than protected from bad guys.

BUT.......................... Have ya'll actually ever SEEN some of the black bears that come out of PA ??? That IS what the OP was talking about, IIRC. Have you actually stood beside a dead 500 pounder ?? 600 ?? 700 ??? 800 ????

In a situation where I am full well expecting to need to have word with such a bear, I want no parts of a 10mm Auto or a .44 Magnum, either one !!!!!!! Not if I expect to win the argument, anyways................
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Old 05-16-2017, 05:52 PM
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P.S. Phil is a VERY lucky man to have pulled that off and have everyone survive.

I'll bet, if asked, he wouldn't take the bet that it would happen like that again in several more tries.
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Old 05-17-2017, 11:29 AM
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And oh,

As a famous "confront what may" guide in Alberta, I assume you've had to track down a few "hit" bears, by clients, on the edge of darkness that made it into a swamp or very thick tangle of brush where you couldn't see where you might plant your next step, and when you had to crawl "in there" to find "blackie", whether it was dead or still alive, you did all that with your 22-250?

And you might want to give a call to the lady doctor here in Ontario to see how she might feel about the "semi-coward" black bear... That's right, you couldn't call her because what remained of her corpse was covered by debris from the forest where she and husband had been attacked by a black bear. Her husband barely survived. That happened in a remote camping area a few years ago in Northern Ontario. And, I could go on....

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I remember that incident. It happened in Algonquin Park where bear hunting had been banned for generations.
When any bear is not hunted for a long period of time, they lose their natural fear of humans.
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