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Old 09-20-2016, 08:26 PM
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I'm going to be in the market for a new scope in the immediate future. I've narrowed it down to 4:
Zeiss conquest hd5
Vortex viper pst
Nightforce nxs
Leupold vx6

I've come up with the above list based on price and options, but I'm thinking of scratching the Zeiss from the list as I don't think that one is ffp. I want to stay under 2k and plan on custom turrets. Thoughts? Preferences? Advice? My first time buying glass in this price range...
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Old 09-21-2016, 01:43 AM
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What is the planned use for this scope?

In general, it's hard to go wrong with scopes of this price and quality. All of them have an excellent reputation. My personal experience is with Vortex and Leupold scopes, though not in that price range. If I was spending that kind of money on glass, I would darn sure want to look through each, under the conditions in which I plan to use them, before writing the check.
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Old 09-21-2016, 02:02 AM
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I'm going to be in the market for a new scope in the immediate future. I've narrowed it down to 4:
Zeiss conquest hd5
Vortex viper pst
Nightforce nxs
Leupold vx6

I've come up with the above list based on price and options, but I'm thinking of scratching the Zeiss from the list as I don't think that one is ffp. I want to stay under 2k and plan on custom turrets. Thoughts? Preferences? Advice? My first time buying glass in this price range...
I have Zeiss, but they're pricey. Vortex Vipers get a lot of good comments about them. Nightforce is the top suggestion from all the high end shooters I know, but they're pricey. Leupold are good if you get one that is a Leupold and it's a higher end one. For decades it was Leupold only for me.

Frankly when i go for a new scope, I'll probably go Vortex Viper.
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Old 09-21-2016, 05:27 AM
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Think I'm confused....
If you are going to go FFP, why would you need "Custom Turrets"
If you really want options and great glass, for a spec more, look at IOR.
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Old 09-21-2016, 05:35 AM
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I have several Vortex and 1 is a Viper HST ( non-lighted reticle ) and I love all of my Vortex's I was talking to a long range shooter Tuesday and he said he purchased a Nightforce before looking at the Vipers and now that he has shot some with a Viper he's not sure the extra money spent on the Nightforce made much of a difference, and his next scope will be a Viper.
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Old 09-21-2016, 07:57 PM
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Broom, it's going on my very first chassis gun. The new enhanced RPR in 6.5 cm. The primary purpose is long range target shooting, hopefully some F class. Sage advice about checking out each one, I may try to catch a couple of long range events just to pester the shooters about their optics.

Darkker, you're not confused, I am. I've messed up before where my scope was set just below full power while shooting hold over. Now, I dial on known targets. So FFP is not a necessity, but it's a nice sanity check and to be honest it's hard to go back. I like to have the option of shooting hold over and ranging a target with one less step in the math. Custom turrets are not really a necessity either, I could just put a dope disk in a flip up lense cap, and may. For me it's about redundancy and the fact that I am still evolving as a shooter. I just don't want to drop a bunch of money on an optic and find myself saying "I wish I would have" a year or two from now.
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Sorry if that last post ended a little abruptly, I was side tracked by the phone and didn't want my post to time out.

I will check into IOR, I've also been revisiting Burris. But I was hoping to shorten the list by process of elimination. It seems it is growing.

My plan is to sight in the rifle with one of my existing scopes, then bullet weights and chrono, then the new scope.
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Looks like an interesting rifle and it would make sense to put really good optics on it. Are you going to handload for the 6.5CM?
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Looks like an interesting rifle and it would make sense to put really good optics on it. Are you going to handload for the 6.5CM?
Eventually, I would like to and I think it is probably necessary to get the most precision out of it, not to mention cost. But I do not load any rifle cartridges as of yet and am planning on using Hndy factory to determine what the rifle likes best, then verify the rated muzzle velocity, and go from there. If I'm not happy with factory being close enough, I may wait on the turrets until I have a load nailed down. But from what I keep hearing, the Hndy 6.5 is pretty good.
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Old 09-22-2016, 07:15 AM
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Darkker, you're not confused, I am. I've messed up before where my scope was set just below full power while shooting hold over. Now, I dial on known targets. So FFP is not a necessity, but it's a nice sanity check and to be honest it's hard to go back. I like to have the option of shooting hold over and ranging a target with one less step in the math. Custom turrets are not really a necessity either, I could just put a dope disk in a flip up lense cap, and may. For me it's about redundancy and the fact that I am still evolving as a shooter. I just don't want to drop a bunch of money on an optic and find myself saying "I wish I would have" a year or two from now.
That's what had me perplexed. If using a FFP, as long as you keep the Turrets / Reticle matched; MOA/MOA, or Mil/Mil, then they are always correct.
So rather than dial, just hold-over; no custom anything needed.

For $1,000 glass at substantially less money, Go to Natchez and grab a Weaver Tactical 3-15; # 800363.
Has locking turrets, a ton of adjustment and stunning glass for now @ $600.
If you want a cheaper matching FFP option jump over to Primary Arms and grab a 4-14 FFP mil/mil. That is only $230, and honestly has better glass/coatings than the SWFA 3-15. Will let you get into them and test without getting in the poor house.
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I don't long-range target shoot as a continuing hobby, and I wouldn't take a shot at game over 400 yds., even with my .300 Weatherby, but there is a long-range ( 1000 yd. ) rifle range near me that I have shot at in the past, and just wanted to throw this out there for consideration, after getting lots of advice from the 'range-dog' regulars there. I had the same advice for a co-worker that has recently gotten into shooting, and wanted to put together a long-range rifle setup for target shooting and SHTF 'what if' use. Here in Fla. heat and mirage can be a beast to deal with, especially shooting over 400 yds. or so, and there is a gremlin waiting for those using a second focal plane scope with range graduated holdover reticles. Almost universally, those scope reticles are accurate only when the scope is set at max power, say, for example 22x. At that magnification, mirage can float the image of the target by 10 feet or more, or totally obscure it. Crank the power down to alleviate the mirage, and your reticle hold-over's are useless, unless you have a dope chart made up for the different power settings. With a first focal plane scope, the reticle subtensions remain accurate no matter the magnification setting. To me, this is not a sport to get into lightly if you have a budget to adhere to, ( I do....) and getting a $$$$+ scope that doesn't work for you when it's hot could get expensive REAL quick. Just FWIW to save some heartache...... Good shooting with the new Ruger, they look really sweet!
P.S., the co-worker got a high-end Vortex Razor PST and couldn't be happier. ( He does have the $$$$.....)
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Old 09-28-2016, 04:54 PM
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Well, last weekend I was able to compare Zeiss, vortex, Leupold, and Burris side by side. No night force available. These were all on their lower end, they don't keep much of the high dollar stuff laying around on the shelves. The verdict, I honestly couldn't tell a major difference in the quality of the glass at that price point.
I hunted through review after review of not just their optics, but their warranties and customer service. I narrowed to my top 3 picks (not in any order):
Burris xtr 2
Leupold vx 6
Vortex viper

I looked at the vortex razor as well, but it blows my budget in short order. I will say that from what I could dig up, the vortex service and warranty was the most impressive. But Leupold and Burris don't slouch in this area either.
Illumination, Leupold hands down. If you've ever looked through a variety or anything with their fire dot, you know. It's like looking at a laser, thin, sharp, crisp.
Reticles, go to vortex and Burris by a thin margin. This being based on my opinion and what I like.

So, here I am leaning toward saving $300-$400 and a little reluctantly (worried about the illumination) going with the viper...

But turns out while talking to someone I know.

https://www.leupold.com/resources/guide-program/

Looks like Leupold.
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Wow! Now THAT is sweet! Congrats on being able to go that route. I happen to have two Leupold VX-R scopes, a 3-9X 40mm CDS Firedot Duplex, (on a .300 Weatherby )and a newly acquired 2-7X 32mm with Firedot #4 reticle, (on a Rem. 760 30/06 ) and I absolutely LOVE them! The Firedot is just amazing when hunting dark swamps early and late, especially when your target is a jet black wild hog! If you hunted bears, the same would apply... that tiny, razor sharp dot is there when everything else disappears against the animal. Basically VX-3i glass in a 30mm tube like the VX-6's.
If you are looking at a VX-6 with any of the illuminated reticles, you are going to own some fine optics! Congrats!
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Just wanted to add, Ro, Gary, and snook, thank you for your input. I was not ignoring your comments. If for whatever reason I cannot get the discount, I will likely go vortex.
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Still a great choice. While gushing about how great the Firedot reticles were, I totally forgot you were looking for a precision, target type scope.... duhh. Sorry! The illuminated reticle really has no bearing on that type of optic, and the savings without illumination could take glass/coatings quality up another notch.
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Still a great choice. While gushing about how great the Firedot reticles were, I totally forgot you were looking for a precision, target type scope.... duhh. Sorry! The illuminated reticle really has no bearing on that type of optic, and the savings without illumination could take glass/coatings quality up another notch.
I rarely use illumination now. There is that rare occasion when you have a black target or a target with a black bullseye, in which case I often forget I have it.
Thing is, I want to stay above 20X, and when you start looking most of those reticles are either illuminated or plain duplex, etc. If the have the option for non-illuminated, the price difference is minimal. If for example, I jump from a viper to a razor in that magnification, the price more than doubles. So I look at illumination as a bonus feature in the event that I need it and am more concerned with the quality of it. Typically, lower quality illumination to me means thicker cross hairs.
This is also an issue for some with FFP. Apparently if you get into the 40x-60x, second pane comes back into play. The complaint being that the crosshairs are either too thick at full power or barely visible on the low end.
As for me, this will be the nicest scope I own so far. My only concern is, will I need more magnification to make the jump from 300-600 midrange to the 1k? Burris puts me into 40x within my budget as does Leupold (but only with a discount) and in either case, I still have to mount it.
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End Result

I realized that I never posted the final outcome, so here it is.

I have had it about 3 months now and everything is as advertised. Chrystal clear, crisp reticle even with illumination on, etc. In the few months that I've owned it, I've only had it out twice and only have around 30 rounds through it. I am looking forward to really stretching it's legs this spring. Only thing that's going to take some getting used to is the eye relief at max power. They advertise 3.9" at 24X and when measured from the outside corner of my eye to the scope, that's exactly what is it. Add a pair of safety glasses and you're down to 3" in a hurry. I am sure it's probably fine, but I find myself tensing up. I have never really scoped myself and have only slightly bumped my glasses one time on a 338 lapua. Still, I am not used to being that close on anything other than a 22, its a mental thing.
Anyway, thanks again for all the advice.
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