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Old 01-04-2017, 08:25 PM
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I'm looking to put a red dot on a 22 plinker, maybe a primary arms micro dot or something along those lines. The thing is, I cannot store it how and where I would like to with an optic on it. So if I take note of or mark the notch on the Weaver rail where I mount it, will these quick release mounts hold zero coming off and going back on? I have always assumed they were just for getting an optic with a dead battery off / broken out of the way in a hurry to get at your irons. But now it would be nice to pop it on and off as needed. If it stuck within 2-3 moa, I would be happy.
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They are very repeatable if you do a couple of things. Make sure the clamp bolts/lugs are pulled forward as far as they will go each time. I say forward because recoil (minimal on a 22lr so not much of a factor) will have a tendency to move them back in the slot if the fit isn't very tight. I've taken them off over the years for various reasons and when put back on they were just about spot on. I think if you were using a more complicated mount such as a Caspian or something that bridges the slide you might have more potential for some error, but with a Weaver or Pictinny this wouldn't be a big problem. Just torque it the same each time.
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I have a Scout mount on my Garand with a 2x8 Weaver pistol scope and QD rings. I take the scope off for the service rifle shoots, and the scope holds zero fine when re-installed (as nsb describes).
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No problem at all with that degree of repeatability.
FWIW--scopes and mounts go forward under recoil, not back. Always 'take the slack out' by pushing forward on the scope and then cinch it down.
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FWIW--scopes and mounts go forward under recoil, not back. Always 'take the slack out' by pushing forward on the scope and then cinch it down.
I got the part right about mounting if forward, it didn't come out right about the movement. Yes, it does have a tendency to push it back and that's why you need to mount it as far forward as possible. Sometimes my fingers don't say what my mind is thinking
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Scope mount repeatability was a BIG deal in the early '70s until Talley started selling mounts and rings.

Griffin and Howe and Stith and Holland and Holland and a bunch of Germans had various dove-tail and 'claw' mounts but the ones that worked were very expensive. Ruger copied CZ (instead of the ridiculous Sako tapered dove-tail) system that had parallel dovetails and a recoil shoulder built into the mount. Leonard Brownell who ran Ruger's shop, had been making dovetail mounts and rings for years and the first Number Ones had his vertical split rings.

We ran test in gunsmiths school in the mid '70s using a very fine shooting Ruger M77 Swift and a 36X target scope. Unmounting and re-mounting the scope in the Ruger rings between shots increased group size about 40%. Similar rifles using Weaver, Redfield and an old Kurarsky bros mounts weren't that good. I converted a Ruger M77 custom, heavy barrel 6mm Rem to use Len Brownell rings (same dovetail as Talley) and shot groups only 5% larger than groups shot without dismounting of the scope.

It's theory on my part, but I think stresses on the scope is the big difference. Mounts made ON the action are perfectly straight and true with the bore-line (if the maker is sober). Clamp down mounts, like Weaver and any aftermarket mount screwed to an uncertain action, has stresses applied when tightened down.

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Thank you gentlemen for your responses! I'll take a peek at the local shops here in the next few days and if I don't see something on the shelf, will order online this weekend.
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I put a T/C quick release on my T/C Plains rifle in 1985. It has been working great every since then with out a flaw.

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The standard Weaver Style mounts (rings and bases) are as said very repeatable.

I had switched scopes around and had on off a model 700 Rem for 20+ years, since about 1970. Put it on thinking I'd need to sight in. It was right on where I always sight in.

Many RED Dot dight have an integral scope mount, it attaches to WEAVER or aka Piccatiny style bases. If your has that itegral mount, then all you need is a set of bases.

Are you trying to attach it to a "grooved receiver"??
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Dad had "King Pike" mounts on his 1917 Enfield. They were very repeatable as "we" would carry the Weaver K2.5 scope (with a 6X VarmintMaster adapter) under our coats (still had open sights) to be put on when elk were spotted. It shot very well until some kid somehow did something to the whole thing and now it's run out of vertical adjustment to get it to go low enough to hit lower that 6 inches high at 100.

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Yeah, I kick myself for that everyday. I still don't know what happened.

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FWIW, I use Burris detachable rings on a shop made barrel mount ahead of the receiver on myCadet Martini, returns to exactly the same zero when removed and replaced. I am careful to use the same pressure on the clamp levers each time. GW
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I purchased the primary arms micro dot and a cheap UTG quick release. I then headed out to the range for some fun. I realized when I got there that the 22 has the 3/8" dovetail.
Dumb, I know... I only have one other rifle that has a 3/8" dovetail, so it didn't even cross my mind. So after an hour or so of having fun with the irons, I headed home and promptly ordered a 2 pack of the spring-loaded adapters for going from weaver to 3/8. When they arrived, I tried to mount it again (this time before heading out). The end result, the quick release is pinned so there is no adjustment. So it does not clamp down firmly on the rail with the adapter.
So now I am looking at alternatives. The primary arms has the removable base and claims to mount to any standard micro mount. Any suggestions?
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Talley makes the best QD rings on the planet.

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Larue tactical down in Texas makes some very nice QD mounts for all types of optics. They mainly do stuff for the AR15 and Tacticool crowd but they can be used on anything really. They make some of it for bolt guns as well.

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As to repeatabilty, I currently have a Vortex Stike Eagle 1-6 power scope in a Burris PEPR QD mount and I repeatedly put it on and take it off my m6 when I want to use irons or an optic. Never checked for Dead on repeatable accuracy but I can hit the chicken silhouette every time at 200 yards when I pull it off and put it back on. So it's not moving much when you re-install it.

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