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Old 03-06-2017, 11:33 AM
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One of my best friends shoots a CZ .22lr Bull Barrel Varmint Rifle. He had eye surgery and as luck would have it he ended up with 20/10 vision in his sight eye. I had cataract surgery in both eyes and ended up with 20/20 vision. I'm ready to spend $700.00 on a scope that will give me an even chance at out scoring him on paper targets. I'll spend more if I have to, within reason. I hope to not upset my wife. I have a very good marriage. We shoot bench rest. I've thought about buying a new CZ 455 and scope but I would much rather out shoot him with my Marlin 795 if I can. I now it is a very tall order. I like the Weaver 3x9 32 RV9 scope but think I may need a more powerful scope to see the bullet holes using the rifle scope and not buying a spotter scope. The Sightron S3 8-32x56 looks like it might be perfect. I have never owned a rifle with a scope. If you feel other scopes might be better please tell me about them. Please share your thoughts on this with me. If you think I'm nuts trying to outshoot a CZ Bull Barrel Varmint rifle with a Marlin 795 tell me and I'll give it up. I sure would like to beet him though. Shoot well my friends. Thanks much for your help
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What range is most of your shooting done?
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Old 03-06-2017, 12:01 PM
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I suppose it depends upon how far you are shooting/dialing, but Optics aren't likely to be the limiter as far as outshooting someone else; it rarely is.
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The distances we will be shooting are 20 yards, 25 yards and 50 yards. Maybe 100 yards but I doubt it.
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The distances we will be shooting are 20 yards, 25 yards and 50 yards. Maybe 100 yards but I doubt it.
In that case don't think you will need that much power. A max of 10◊ with a parallax adjustment should do all you need.
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Old 03-06-2017, 06:36 PM
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You might like a Mueller 4.5-14 X 40mm on that Marlin. It's only $140 or so, so it's worth a try at beating your buddy. A few of the guys I shoot with use their 8-32 power scope with no problems. I have the 8-32 on a benchrest stocked 22. It tracks and holds zero. The optics are outstanding for the price. You'll pay a load of cash for a 10% improvement. I believe they're imported from China. The Mueller company is out of, if I remember right, Taylor, MI. Don't let using a Marlin 795 discourage you in the least. One of the guys uses a Marlin 60. He's done work on the trigger and is very competitive. His scope is an Athlon 6-18 that is also reasonable priced. Have a great time on the range.
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The distances we will be shooting are 20 yards, 25 yards and 50 yards.
Then honesty a $20 Tasco fixed 4X from the Evil Empire will do just fine.
For those distances, no optic is the limitation.

It's common to hear something like, "well I couldn't really see where the lives to well, my scope is __insert moronic insult__.". But it is a failing of the shooter.
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I am going to strongly disagree with the rest of the members here. Since you are shooting bench rest, you want to clearly put the cross hairs on a gnats a*s. You have a very good choice in your first post, the Sightron Siii 8-32. The Sightron SIII 6-24 would also work well.
If you get anything less than 6-24 you will regret it. When a small fraction of an inch is the difference between winning and losing, the minimum of 24x is a must.
If all things are equal, the shooter, firearm and ammunition. The choice of optics will make a difference.

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Old 03-07-2017, 05:18 AM
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Let's do a thought experiment on that view.

A new member, who is talking about shooting at 20 yards. Talks about a rifle in absolute terms, rather than as an individual thing with abilities and limitations. Spends time talking about rated eyesight, and not a moment about abilities, skills, best results with a rifle, with any rifle, his competitors abilities, or skill..

With that knowledge, you can make the leap to the person having the ability and skill set to use, or even Require 24x optics at 20 yards?
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He states he is shooting out to 100 yards.
He exactly states: "20 yards, 25 yards and 50 yards. Maybe 100 yards

A good quality scope such as a Sightron SIII will be a good quality scope 30 years from now. A piece of junk like a Tasco 4x will be crap today and crap tomorrow.
You have your opinion, I have mine. I appreciate good quality.

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You can always go in between the two different schools of thought and get a vortex 4-16 power scope. Great glass and it won't break the bank. I would also suggest that you try several different boxes of ammunition. 22LR are picky and usually favor one kind of ammunition, try 4-5 different brands and see what your rifle shoots best.

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OP, does your use of this scope-rifle system include making lots of elevation and/or windage adjustments? Or, will those things _mostly_ stay put, and you'll mainly be adjusting only parallax correction and magnification (if you buy a variable)?

I don't shoot or particularly enjoy benchrest or f-class types of competition, so I can't offer my personal preferences on magnification _for those games_ . I do shoot 22 rimfire precision rifle matches sometimes, and we shoot as close as 10-ish yards, out to 200 yards fairly regularly, though 100 is more common. I wouldn't even consider 20-40x of magnification for _any_ of those ranges in that type of competition. For that, 10x is plenty on the top. 15x can work out at 200, but you may get lost. That game is a much more broadly demanding type, meaning one needs high-durability adjustments, much wider field of view (there's a lot of moving from target to target on a time clock), and preferably a mil- or minute-hash reticle, not _only_ glass and some magnification.

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Guess one good thing is the scope could be transfered to another rifle if upgrading.
If following the advice of the Humble telescope crowd, be aware the mirage will kick your butt with high powers on hot summer days. Often when prairie dogging I turn the power down on my scopes, even when shooting 300+ to reduce mirage.
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The difference between 'rim-fire' scopes and 'target scopes with AO' is parallax distances. I'm sure there's a hundred imports that combine the two since rimfire sports shooting has taken off with the black plastic crowd. There has to be a bunch of big scopes that adjust parallax at very short ranges. Once that selection of scopes are found, price is usually the determining factor.
Make it useable FIRST then make it cool and affordable.
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Please help with 22lr scope

My most accurate 22lr is an old Kimber Model 82. It will regularly outshoot my Anschutz 1416D with double set triggers. 50 yard one-hole groups are common with Eley Tenex ammo. My scope: Leupold VX-2 Rimfire 3-9x33mm with AO. Right physical size for a 22lr. Excellently clear optics. 9 power is plenty at 100 yards (though I rarely shoot over 50 yards). Half the price of a $700 scope. Backed by Leupold's famous warranty. You'd have to be a very serious, competitive shooting young man to need anything more. I know my 63 yr old eyes can't see what they used to, and I've used this scope or its predecessor for over 30 years. Thanks, Leupold!
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Many thanks to all of you for your replies. I'm pretty sure I'll be buying a Muller Target Rifle Scope, a 8-32x44. The only thing I might not like about it is the eye relief is 4" which I think means I have to be exactly 4" from the scope to get a perfect sight picture. Is that correct? I hope I can look through one before I buy it but not sure I'll be able to. I'll make some phone calls and try to find someone that has one in stock that isn't to far away. I hope in another month I'll be able to get out and start shooting. Thanks again my friends. Shoot well and shoot safe.
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I may be a day late and a dollar short with my advice, but here it is. I have a Leupold 4-16X 40mmAO VX-2 on my CZ455. 20 to 100 yards works great. With the 16X you actually get feedback from your shots without need for a spotter. About $500.00. And if you ever feel like upgrading that Marlin to something else the scope will be there for a very long time.

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My sporterized pre-A Winchester Model 52 shoots one (small) hole 10-shot groups @ 50yds with a $300 (Optics Planet) Vortex Crossfire II 6-24x50mm AO scope.

Of course, a Marlin Model 795 is no Winchester Model 52, though.


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