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Old 04-11-2017, 09:27 AM
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Hey tdoyka, how about showing all of us some picks of that 6.5CM you've been talking about. I think everyone would be very interested. By the groups you are shooting, you could win 100yd matches with that 6.5CM. Just a curious mind wanting more info on an off the shelf rifle that shoots that good. Please share with us ASP, shooting season is upon us.
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Old 04-11-2017, 10:02 AM
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It still doesn't explain the steeper shoulder angle that the Creedmoor has which is not conducive to autoloaders.
That's a generalization, nothing more. DMSBandit pointed out the basic fact of the case: The 6.5 Creedmoor was designed specifically to handle 140 grain bullets with a G1 BC around .58 in the AR10/DPMS platform for NRA match shooting. It does it quite well and that's the reason it's the most popular cartridge for Across-The-Course (XTC) match rifle matches.

The typical service or match rifle match consists of the following stages:
200yd offhand: 2 sighters and 20 rounds slow fire in 22 minutes
200yd rapid sitting: 2 sighters followed by 10 rounds in 60 seconds (must have a reload so shot either 2/8 or 5/5) Then another 10 round string in 60 seconds
300yd rapid prone: 2 sighters followed by 10 rounds in 70 seconds, then another 10 round string in 70 seconds
600yd slow prone: 2 sighters and 20 rounds slow fire in 22 minutes

If you are not a match shooter, buy the 260 in a bolt gun and be happy.

Before the 6.5 was developed, Sherri Gallagher won the US HP championship with the 260, so it's a good round but there were the longer bullet limitations, hence the development of the 6.5 for the autoloaders.

It's that simple.
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Old 04-11-2017, 10:48 AM
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Just got off the phone with a friend I went to high school and college. His nephew recently came back from Marine sniper training. His nephew said, there was any Army Sniper Unit on base testing a Barrette 260rem AR-10 type rifle. That's the only information I have, however, the military is always testing firearms. Thought it would be of interest or not.
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Old 04-11-2017, 12:07 PM
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Hey tdoyka, how about showing all of us some picks of that 6.5CM you've been talking about. I think everyone would be very interested. By the groups you are shooting, you could win 100yd matches with that 6.5CM. Just a curious mind wanting more info on an off the shelf rifle that shoots that good. Please share with us ASP, shooting season is upon us.

unfortunately i don't have most of pics. three or four years ago, my 'puter crashed and i didn't have any backup. but i do have some.

this one is my 270 in a ruger #1


the one on the left is a 130gr nosler bt with 47.0gr of imr4320. its only 4 shots at 100 yards, but this one goes roughly .3".


the next one is my 1898 spr armory in 30-40 krag. this one has open sights(now it has a redfield peep sight). it also has an original stock. (mine has been bubbasized)



since i gotten a stroke, i no longer use jacketed bullets. i use cast boolits.


this is a 165gr ranch dog(30-40 krag/open sights/ at 100 yards)




tc encore with 23" MGM heavy barrel. it has since gone to a high plains stock and a 3-9x leopuld.


this one is three shots(the top and the bottom two go to another load.) this one is a 275gr ranch dog with 41.0gr of rel7. it goes roughly .2-.3" at 100 yards.


i don't take many pics anymore. if a cast boolit goes under 3" at 150 yards, i'm fine by that. i should take out my tc encore with a 20vt and take couple of pictures of what it does.
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tdoyka, thanks for the pics, I've enjoyed seeing them. But I think a lot of us were waiting for the 6.5CM rifles you were talking about making bug holes. We hope in the near future to see that Creedmoor you spoke of. Again thanks for the pics.
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Old 04-11-2017, 02:09 PM
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tdoyka, thanks for the pics, I've enjoyed seeing them. But I think a lot of us were waiting for the 6.5CM rifles you were talking about making bug holes. We hope in the near future to see that Creedmoor you spoke of. Again thanks for the pics.
all it takes is time. you(anyone) can do anything, if you take the time to do it. back when i was young and dumb, i would seperate the cases by weight. i would try multiple primers and powders. i'd try col till i WAS NUTZ!! !i'd ream out the neck and primer pockets. i did everything i could do.

soon, i'll have a 500 linebaugh that will be 23" heavy factory barrel from MGM. when it comes, the 500L will be a 3" at 100 yards(i wish i wish i wish!!!!) with 3 shots. i plan on using it for deer season, where i will be lucky to see a deer under 50 yards. i've given up "which hair to shoot" and "my cartridge is sooo fast that..". i'm more along the lines of, "eh, it'll get there".
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Old 04-11-2017, 08:09 PM
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Hornady could do anything they want to with the .260 Rem, except for several considerations:

1. They aren't going to promote a "Remington" cartridge. Period! If the .260 Rem had been named the 6.5-08,or similar, they could have considered it.

2. The enduring myth that there can be no accuracy with a cartridge, with the (jacketed) bullet base below the neck. While such a thing plays hob with accuracy with cast bullets, the .260 Rem is not being used as a cast bullet gun (nor is the 6.5CM).

3. The willingness of the American shooter, to believe the fairy tail that having a teeny bit of bullet base below the neck, magically robs vast amounts of muzzle velocity from any cartridge.

It's that simple....
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Old 04-12-2017, 06:36 AM
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While such a thing plays hob with accuracy with cast bullets, the .260 Rem is not being used as a cast bullet gun (nor is the 6.5CM).
Blasphemy

I happen to have an old Lyman mold that cast 6.5mm bullets. The Carcano is long gone but if a 260 or 6.5 joins the stable, you can be sure I'll be stuffing lead down the bore.
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james faber,

you can go to the sauber.com if you wish to see groups that go .2 - .3" at 100 yards. they are some good guys that can teach you and me some of the skills of handloading. i've have learned so much, but its a drop in the bucket compared to some of the guys.

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tdoyka, I am aware of that forum, but thanks for reminding me. Just a short story about a 722 rem. in 222. I'm talking late 60's and playing poker. Some guy in the game is short $50.00, but said he had a rifle in his car that would cover the bet. The three of us looked over the rifle and agreed it was worth $50.00 to cover his bet. I won that rifle and brought it home and it sat in my closed for 35yrs. A distant relative past, and his son and I got to talking about hunting and guns. It turned out his dad was a reloader and still had some old RCBS stuff in 222rem. He gave me his dads reloading Dies and his notes on reloading the 222rem. I checked his notes and found what he call his pet load. It was Sierra 50gr. bullet behind 19.6grs. of IM4198. Just for Sh-ts and giggles I loaded up 20 rounds of the above mentioned pet load. The rifle still had a cheap mounted tasco 3-9 which I used. Mind you this rifle sat in my close for 35yrs. The first groups were around a 1/2 inch and there was flyer out of the groups and I didn't know if it was me or the ammo. The 20 rounds shot in the gun were neck sized only and the results were bug holes. This old 722 in 222rem is the most accurate rifle I have ever shot at a 100yrs. When you stumble onto something like this, it's a once in a life time thing. Now I measure all other rifles I shoot at a 100yrs. to this 1950 vintage gun. Shooting long range with 300win mag, 308win, the 6.5 cal, and even the 30-06 has not as yet produced that once in a life time long range rifle. I'm long in the tooth and short of time, I think I'm going back to 100yrs. with that old gun and a new scope. I'll leave all of you young bulls to long range shooting with those great 6.5's.
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i used to have a savage m340 in 222 rem and an old 6x scope(tasco or bushnel?). it was used, but slightly. the trigger sucked, but i got it for song and dance($75). i bought some rcbs reloading dies, brass and 50gr speers. i had h322 so i firgured as long as i had it, i might as well use it. it took me some time but i did but a .3" at 100 yards with a 50gr speer tnt hp and 22.7gr of h322. i don't know how many rounds i got out of it, but somewhere around 8000 or so the barrel was done. i sold it and i got a more expensive 223 rem(m700, i believe it was an adl?) that would not go under 3/4" at 100 yards. i should have kept the savage and just rebarreled it.

i've bought a savage m12 in 223 rem, but i don't like the accu-trigger that it has. so my son and my dad both luv the accu-trigger, so they have it.
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Blasphemy

I happen to have an old Lyman mold that cast 6.5mm bullets. The Carcano is long gone but if a 260 or 6.5 joins the stable, you can be sure I'll be stuffing lead down the bore.
I should have written "promoted as a cast bullet rifle," not "used as a cast bullet rifle.... "

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I just went over to MidwayUSA and saw that Hornady is offering SuperFormance 129gr SST advertised @ 2930fps for the .260... not too bad.
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