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Old 09-14-2015, 07:18 AM
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260 Rem or 6.5 Creedmoor ?


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What is the difference between the 260 Rem. & 6.5 Creedmoor. Some say the Creedmoor is superior. What are the facts? The 260 Rem holds 53.5grs of water where the Creedmoor holds 52.3. That is +1.3 grs more for the .260 Rem.. More powder means more velocity. Both are loaded to the same 60,191 PSI. All things being equal, same powder, same bullet, same barrel length makes the .260 Rem. the superior cartridge. What do you think?

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Don't know anything about the Creedmoor, but have three rifles chambered in the 260. My first was Jap 7.7 that was my dads I had rebarreled, custom wood stock, and a ton of other work for my granddaughter, for long range target practice. The second was a model 7 I had rebarreled with a 20" Shilen barrel, blue printed and pillar post bedded the stock for my granddaughters deer hunting rifle. I already had a 6.5x284 I had built, but I like those two 260's, I had to build me one also in a Model 700. Now I'm giving strong considerations on building one on the AR frame. So, needless to say, I've become very fond of the 260 and think it's about one of the best mid size rounds available.
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Old 09-14-2015, 08:10 AM
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Net case capacity under seated bullets is basically equal, at least with the heavier bullets the Creedmoor's designers had in mind. So, there's no velocity advantage in a std short action rifle.

The Creed is more tolerant of long/heavy bullets because they don't impinge on powder space so much as in the 260.

Factory Creedmoor ammo, especially the Hornady Match ammo, is really outstanding.

Excellent brass is available for either.

They shoot the same bullets, from the same actions, through the same barrel blanks.

If you have one or the other, use it.

If you don't, buy the Creedmoor.
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The young lady on the cover is holding my wife's 6.5x308 ( aka .260 Rem today ) which was built long before Rem. brought out the .260. The elk was taken with the original Barnes 120gr "X" bullet. This rifle has made several one shot kills on elk with this same bullet. The bullet in no way infringes on the powder space & will consistently out perform my friends Ruger 6.5 Creeddmoor by at least 75 FPS. This may not be a lot but it is a difference. I see the 260 having the advantage of forming brass directly from .308 brass while needing nothing more than squaring the case mouth. I have heard some say that the Creedmoor is more accurate. As to this I have two .260 Rems that will consistently shoots sub one inch groups. I understand different barrels can perform differently.

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Old 09-14-2015, 08:40 AM
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It's like comparing the .243win. to the 6mmRem.

It's like comparing Johnathan and Gala apples. Both taste pretty good and make dandy pies.

Now, if you were to ream out the 260 to 260AI, THEN we could have a discussion.

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Old 09-14-2015, 08:53 AM
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I really do not believe the elk will notice the difference, even in AI configuration, put a Barnes TTSX or TSX in the right spot and you have a very dead animal. Both calibres are a gnats whisker apart from the animals point of view, if he/she has one. Both calibres are top notch game takers.
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Just thoughts. I made the choice and went with the 260 rem.

The 6.5 Creedmoor is based upon the obsolete 30 Thompson Center cartridge. Where as the 260 R is based upon the 308 case. The 30 T/C was a brilliant failure, and is now obsolete.

The 260 and 308 brass is readily available, sure one could make some 30 T/C cases...but why.

If one wants a 6,5mm accurate hunting round, then the 260 is the way to go. If you want the same ballistics with an obscure name, then the Creedmoor might be for you. Be the only one on your block to have one!
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Old 09-14-2015, 10:46 AM
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I really do not believe the elk will notice the difference, even in AI configuration, put a Barnes TTSX or TSX in the right spot and you have a very dead animal. Both calibres are a gnats whisker apart from the animals point of view, if he/she has one. Both calibres are top notch game takers.
Hey Sus I agree with you totally. I've been busy loading & chronographing & thought I'd stir the pot between these two cartridges & see what came to the top. Both cartridges are highly under rated in the game fields. With the proper bullet they will perform out of all proportion to their size. The Barnes homogeneous copper bullet has changed cartridge capability considerably.
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If you want to be the only one on the block, get a 6.5x54.



I would choose the 260 Rem over the 6.5 Creedmoor simply because the Creedmoor is so hyped-up.

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Old 09-14-2015, 12:13 PM
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Just thoughts. I made the choice and went with the 260 rem.

The 6.5 Creedmoor is based upon the obsolete 30 Thompson Center cartridge. Where as the 260 R is based upon the 308 case. The 30 T/C was a brilliant failure, and is now obsolete.

The 260 and 308 brass is readily available, sure one could make some 30 T/C cases...but why.
Well..... yes. But since the 30 T/C is essentially an improved shortened version of the 308, at best that argument is sematics. If you think you "need" brass for the Creedmoor from some other source, you do what most early adopters have been doing, trim and FL size the mountains of 308 brass; VIOLA!! you have Creedmoor cases with any headstamp that makes you feel special inside. I have ocean vessels worth of 308 brass, so that's what I did.

Remington is world famous for being able to screw-up a wet dream, when it comes for cartridges.
So I went with the Creedmoor.
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The way it was explained to me:

- The .260 has a little more powder volume which suits those folks who want to shoot bolt guns, particularly if you customize your barrel to allow for seating longer bullets further out.
- The Creedmoor was designed to work in AR/MSR to work within the specifications *and* allow for the longer bullets within those specifications.
- The .260 can be loaded to provide a little faster bullet velocity than the Creedmoor due to the slightly larger case volume.
- The .260 uses .308 Win family brass, which is easy to find. The Creedmoor uses brass that is pretty much only used for it.
- They both work great.
- They are both accurate.
- They are both long range shooters (if that's your goal).

For me, I didn't have any interest in getting an MSR and given that both are relatively obscure compared to cartridges like the .30-06, .308, and those, I wanted to position myself to where I could handload for it relatively easily should I need to.
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I forgot, the 260 actually does have one, and only one, advantage over the Creedmoor:
It uses an American designator rather than metric.

All the rest are completely imaginary in actual practice.
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Don't own either but would go with the .260 due to brass availability if it were me. A better option than either IMO is the 6.5x284 with over 68 grains of water capacity. It's easily loaded down to .260/Creedmoor levels, but if you need a little extra, it appears that Hybrid 100V, RL22, 4831, and especially Ramshot Magnum offers a nice bit of extra umph with 140 grainers. It's not a short-action if that's important to you, but it does offer extra reach.
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Old 09-14-2015, 06:15 PM
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I guess I would choose 6.5 Creedmoor, I was doing load work up on one today for a friend. I have been shooting 6.555 since about 1985 so that is MY favorite (if Rem had come out with the 260 about 40 years earlier, I would probably own one). You can make Creedmoor brass from 308, 7mm-08, 260, or 243 brass.
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Old 09-15-2015, 04:38 AM
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I guess I would choose 6.5 Creedmoor, I was doing load work up on one today for a friend. I have been shooting 6.555 since about 1985 so that is MY favorite (if Rem had come out with the 260 about 40 years earlier, I would probably own one). You can make Creedmoor brass from 308, 7mm-08, 260, or 243 brass.
Your correct on the brass you can form the Creedmoor from. You can also form the 260 from this same brass. The difference is for the Creedmoor considerable more work is required in pushing the shoulder back & then the trimming required. When forming 260 brass from 243, 7-08 , or 308 you just run it thru your 260 FL sizer & your done with the possible exception of squaring the case moth. I know that the 6.5x308 has been around since at least the late 1960's. If I remember right Ken Waters called it the 260 Express. My wife's 6.5x308 was put together well before Rem. brought out the 260. As with other wildcats a factory like Remington brings it out with their name on some other persons idea.
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CharlesB great looking rifle.

I love the polished bolt treatment and angle and the manlicher style full stock. bet it is magic on texas whitetails.
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I forgot, the 260 actually does have one, and only one, advantage over the Creedmoor:
It uses an American designator rather than metric.

All the rest are completely imaginary in actual practice.
Not sure what criteria you are measuring by there - or whether you managed to read and understand previous posts in this topic before posting.

The two are similar in performance, but obviously there are applications and situations where one has a clear advantage over the other.

A statement to the effect that the only difference is in the designation would be - imaginary.

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CharlesB great looking rifle.

I love the polished bolt treatment and angle and the manlicher style full stock. bet it is magic on texas whitetails.
The little Mannlichers are popular in Europe for the same kind of hunting that we would pick up a lever action 30-30 for. I took the scope off of mine because the main feature there is how light and handy they are.

The 260 Remington is a much more effective cartridge than the 6.5x54, which is an older, low pressure cartridge with less case capacity. - The 6.5x54 is OK though for whitetails or pigs under 200 yards.

I would not hesitate to use a 260 Remington on an elk hunt, it is a very effective cartridge that is good for anything in the Western hemisphere except an angry grizzly at close range.
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My 260 Kimber is going on an antelope/elk hunt. It is for the antelope; but will be backup for my 9.3x62 CZ 550 full stock, the Kimber 260 wears a 3-10 x Leupold while the 9.3 wears a 2-7x Leupold with folding sights should they be needed. With my aging eyes scopes are necessary.

Sort of surprising in the 6.5 discussion no one mentioned the 6.5 Swed. Both the Ceedmore and the 260R were designed to met the Swed's ballistics.
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My 260 Kimber is going on an antelope/elk hunt. It is for the antelope; but will be backup for my 9.3x62 CZ 550 full stock, the Kimber 260 wears a 3-10 x Leupold while the 9.3 wears a 2-7x Leupold with folding sights should they be needed. With my aging eyes scopes are necessary.

Sort of surprising in the 6.5 discussion no one mentioned the 6.5 Swed. Both the Ceedmore and the 260R were designed to met the Swed's ballistics.
Good day Harry. I realize the "excellent" 6.5x55 was not mentioned in this post. Not meant to slight the 6.5x55. It was meant to understand why the 6.5 Creedmoore would even come about when the 260 Rem already existed. I can assure you with bullets like the Barnes TSX the .260 will take mature elk cleanly & do so with mild recoil. After all over 100yrs ago Karamojo Bell ( Walter Dalrymple Maitland ) was shooting elephants ( brain shots penetrating the skull ) in Africa with a 6.5x54MS with 159gr full metal patch bullets doing just barely over 2300 FPS. He also took hundreds of every size of plains game with the 6.5x54MS using 160gr RN soft point bullets at the same leisurely 2300 FPS. The 6.5 in any case form is vastly under estimated in this country.
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