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OK My interest is piqued: What caliber and weight of hunting bullet are you getting 3900 fps out of?
125 grain ballistic tips being pushed by a 30-378 Weatherby Magnum loaded smoking hot. I also got 4086 fps pushing 110 grain Nosler spire points shot out of my Sako TRG. If memory serves me correctly, the 4086 fps load was using 123 grains of IMR 7828!!
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Looks more like a crime scene, than a blood trail!
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Love them on deer, but hate them on elk.

Ballistic tips are great for accuracy and guaranteed expansion, even at medium velocities. BUT, at high speed (close range) they can over-expand and blow up on heavier game. I once used a Nosler BT 7MM Rem mag on elk and had a shoulder shot at 27' on a very large bull at the peak of the rutt. The bullet barely made it to the shoulder bone and shredded much of the shoulder along the way. Not one bit of the bullet made it to the chest cavity. It was too much to ask of a bullet meant for fast expansion. Thankfully my first shot proved lethal as that shot wouldn't have killed the bull for a week.
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Now THAT's funny! As long as you have your truck and a 22, Kevinbear, those ballistic tips will be fine, whether they work or not! ((()))
It was not pretty, had I not had such good luck with heavier BT's I probably would have quit using them after that fiasco.
I wrote Nosler a nasty email, never heard anything back from them.
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125 grain ballistic tips being pushed by a 30-378 Weatherby Magnum loaded smoking hot. I also got 4086 fps pushing 110 grain Nosler spire points shot out of my Sako TRG. If memory serves me correctly, the 4086 fps load was using 123 grains of IMR 7828!!
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Outstanding blood trail!!
One of mine, notice the bits of deer parts spread about at the poi. A 140 7mm Bt from my 7-08. Whenever I know I made a good shot I start counting to see how long before I see or hear the crash/collapse, it's usually before 4 when it's all over when using BT's.

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I've seen two spectacular failures from ballistic tips, first one was a close range shot on a deer that hit his spine with a 120 7mm from a 7-08, it blew up and I shot him again a couple of feet away{his spinal cord was damaged}. Second was another close range shot on an antelope with a 100 grain 6.5 bullet from a 260, I shot him at least 5 times, ended up killing him with a truck and 22 pistol.
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I can't get over this line. It's a true LOL if ever there was one. That line, Kevin, all by itself, sums up this thread about the Ballistic Tips. Classic.
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Just my opinion but I would stay away from any light for caliber ballistic tips especially if your using a magnum, a 120 6.5, 140 7mm or a 308 cal 165 would be my minimum for medium size game.
My brother and others will take exception to my next opinion, I wouldn't use BT's on anything elk size or bigger. He's probably killed a half dozen bulls with 165's, they all died pretty quickly but penetration on elk with them is marginal, sometimes they don't exit, they make such a mess of there lungs that they don't go far which is good because there's no blood trail. Pretty sure that the whitetail deer is the most hunted and brought to bag animal in the US, ballistic tips are wonderful bullets to take them humanely.
The archery hunter in me loves those big wide gruesome blood trails that are short and end at a red meat celebration.
Better to switch to Accubonds for the bigger stuff,
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The ultimate prairie dog load!
Lots of things shred Prairie dogs. That's not the test here, I'd rather see it evaporate a coyote.
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Exactly why I use Nosler....
Actually, the bullet used there is a Sierra 165 HPBT Gameking.
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Lots of things shred Prairie dogs. That's not the test here, I'd rather see it evaporate a coyote.
I'm surprised the bullet isn't disintegrating mid-air.
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Honest no cleaning. Shot at about 75 yds with a 165 gr BT out a 30 06 starting at 2800 fps. Was a little disappointed that I took the shoulder shot as we like venison stew and I did loose some stew meat but the damage wasn't as bad as I have seen from other shoulder shots using factory ammunition. Last deer i shot with a BT was with my 6.5x55 and a 120gr. 40 yds and took out the lungs. Didn't lose meat on that one. Like I said can't complain about BT's. This years deer was dead on the spot,
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Yup. Guaranteed. That bullet held together at the low impact velocity, but the core and jacketed separated. So it wasn't far from disaster.
This is also the 120 grn, which has a thicker jacket, which some may not know. 120 on the right, 140 on the left:

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I've shot them at speeds approaching 3900 fps and will report that any deer that was unlucky enough to be hit by a BT experienced instant death. I'm not a real big fan of "shoulder steak/roast" so I just tenderize them a bit before going in the grinder.
I've shot 40mm grenades from a M203 grenade launcher that were less explosive.
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This is also the 120 grn, which has a thicker jacket, which some may not know. 120 on the right, 140 on the left:

When you posted earlier I was wondering if it was a typo and how you knew. This post with pics clears it up. Thanks for posting!
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I've shot 40mm grenades from a M203 grenade launcher that were less explosive.
That's funny right there!!! What is the range on a "40 mike mike" anyway?

Ballistic tip hunting bullets are excellent varmint bullets at higher velocities. Nosler should package them as such, not in "boxes of 50".

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I haven't used every weight or diameter of Ballistic Tip out there, I stayed away from them in the beginning when everyone was complaining about them being too soft, using the heavier for caliber Speers and Sierra bullets. Years later I got caught up in the ShootersProshop sales for blems and over run bullets and when I could buy 100 of them for somewhat less than the same number of Sierra or Speer bullets I jumped in. My favorite has been the 150 grain 7MM Ballistic tip used in various cases the 7x57, 280 AI and 7MM RM. I have all my 7x57 brass loaded with this bullet pushed to 2700 fps it has performed perfectly on game up to 400 pounds and in the last 10 years I have recovered only two. The 280AI and 7MM RM get two different loads each, one with the BT and another with the 160 grain Partition. With the Ballistic Tips I believe impact velocities should be between 2700 fps and 1800 fps for best results. If your top loading a 130 in a 270 for a treestand load instead of an open country antelope or mulie hunt your on the wrong track. My shot choices may make the difference between bullets less obvious. If possible I will shoot for the spine in front of the shoulder or right through the ribs on close shots. Farther out where most plastic tipped bullets perform well and where I might not be confident of not hitting the shoulder velocity has cooled down enough that I get good performance anyway. Second choice favorite is the 180 grain BT in 30 caliber. This bullet is a great performer when started at 30-06 velocities, opens quick and still a tough bullet. There are times when I want what a partition offers and I keep a box or two of the 180's handy. Generally I use partitions when I am after heavier game (elk) in timber or where I know 100 yards is a long shot. My hunting buddy is all for the 165 Ballistic Tips in his 30-06 for everything elk on down and he does very well.
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Old 02-17-2017, 10:57 AM
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Wink Ballistic tip Noslers

I have used them I 30-06,308 Win,270,243,25-06 and have never had any problems, I especially like using up energy on target
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Thirty-five years ago, the most fragile and explosive .308 bullet around was the Hornady 154 gr. Spire Point. It was made for the Sav. 99 calibers and 30-06, but had a reputation in the '06 for destruction. I had a GS student that over-did most everything he did so loaded up a few for his 300 Weatherby for antelope. He brought the small buck into school for show and tell.
The buck had jumped from a small gulley when the student topped the rise 30 yards from him and like young antelope do, he trotted away while holding his head way up with that goofy sideways stare as they move away. Nimrod the student thought he was shooting for the neck but hit between the hip bones. Just a little low. It's remarkable how little meat is left when the entire back, top of both hams are back in the sage brush with a bushel of hair and hide and only the belly skin and bloodshot shoulders are left to bring home. We speculated long and hard what the Possum Police would have done to him had they found him with a tagged carcass that REALLY DID look like the typical prairie dog fresh hit with a 22-250. He literally brought home the left-overs from a varmint kill but it was an antelope. He claimed it made good chile.

Somewhere I have that story in his own hand in a file folder. I passed out nearly 200 bullet performance questionnaires to GS students seeking bullet performance information on past and present kills of all types.
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