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Old 02-14-2017, 09:20 AM
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Why the Hate for Nosler's Ballistic Tip bullets?


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I have noticed an real lack of appreciation for these bullets on this forum, personally having found that current versions are fast killers and the heavier ones are deep penetrators. Accuracy is also very good.
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Old 02-14-2017, 09:26 AM
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Don't recall anything wrong with the BT - just some prefer the more expensive bullets. My personal choice since they made the jackets heavier for hunting is the Hornady SST.s. Lots of folks turn their noses up at these, but I've always found them to be reliable. All depends where you hit'um!
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Old 02-14-2017, 09:44 AM
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I'm just prejudice. I don't like plastic (aka hi-tech polymer) on my bullets. Has nothing at all to do with performance.

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Old 02-14-2017, 09:45 AM
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100% for Nosler Parts and Accubonds and also the SSTs. I am out on Friday with a box full hoping to put venison in the freezer. Shoot every one you see was the order from the Game Keeper. I am also loading some 150gr SSTs for a friend who has a new 308Win. Everything I have shot at with all these bullets falls over dead, don't see a problem.
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Old 02-14-2017, 10:29 AM
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This is not a Partition or Accubond - I have read the BT's "explode", ruining meat in the animal. I load and use the 115gr BT in my 25-06 and with only 2 kills with them, I have not experienced that, but there are enough witnesses that I believe the reports. Just the other night a forum member was reporting that, at velocities lower than approximately 2700 fps I think it was, they perform fine. Of course that would be terminal velocity.
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Old 02-14-2017, 10:34 AM
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I have noticed an real lack of appreciation for these bullets on this forum, personally having found that current versions are fast killers and the heavier ones are deep penetrators. Accuracy is also very good.
Not hating - that is an emotion. Just choices based on own factual observations. And then reasons for hunters' choices. Not all hunters aim for the same shot placement so some are pleased with the result as compared to other bullets and some hunters are not.

It is a beautiful thing to have different bullets to choose for your particular shot placement and the way it reacts with the animal anatomy. None of the Noslers work for me and when I realised that I made other choices based on cold facts. Feelings are not involved. When some shooters do not see any logical reason to use a cartridge designated as a magnum and explain why, and the magnum users complain about magnum hating one can only smile at the emotional reaction.
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Old 02-14-2017, 10:36 AM
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I use bullets for two purposes. 1) to hunt for edible meat 2) load development for #1.

I rarely consider the ballistic tipped ammo because it's just too destructive on game. I'm not repeating what others have said. I have seen it first hand.

Sure you can avoid the extra destruction with shot placement and/or making sure you have the correct speed at the correct distance, but I would rather not have to take into account those factors. I always strive for those factors, but rarely in hunting is anything 100% ideal. Animals move at a moments notice and all your planning is out the window.

Cup and core bullets have the benefit of a couple more variables removed in my hunting application Less worry about penetration, over destruction and the like for the ranges I hunt. Which is often the MPBR of the cartridge I am using.

I have hunted with people who use Nosler BTs. They kill game. Sometimes they are perfect for the application, but I have seen more destruction than I want on my game.
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Old 02-14-2017, 10:56 AM
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I use bullets for two purposes. 1) to hunt for edible meat 2) load development for #1.

I rarely consider the ballistic tipped ammo because it's just too destructive on game. I'm not repeating what others have said. I have seen it first hand.

Sure you can avoid the extra destruction with shot placement and/or making sure you have the correct speed at the correct distance, but I would rather not have to take into account those factors. I always strive for those factors, but rarely in hunting is anything 100% ideal. Animals move at a moments notice and all your planning is out the window.

Cup and core bullets have the benefit of a couple more variables removed in my hunting application Less worry about penetration, over destruction and the like for the ranges I hunt. Which is often the MPBR of the cartridge I am using.

I have hunted with people who use Nosler BTs. They kill game. Sometimes they are perfect for the application, but I have seen more destruction than I want on my game.
This ^^^^^^

Having used BT's on big Wisconsin whitetails for several years, they have the potential to expand violently and penetrate poorly. This can result in spectacular kills or long tracking jobs, but invariably meant a lot of bloodshot meat. (Note: These were with 140gr BT's out of a 270 Winchester.)
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I used to use NBTs in my 270, and still have some in 150 gr 308 and 120gr 260 REM, but I'm going back to Cup & Core Sierra and Hornady Interlocks for my new rifles. I never lost a deer or had excessive meat loss, due to where I've hit them, but I've just had some exceptional results with the C&C lately.

This 140 gr Interlock from my 260 at about 2500 fps hit a deer at a steeper than expected quartering forward shot (I think it stepped/turned just as I was shooting) and it traveled practically the length of the animal, resting just under the ham skin. The jacket separated, but the lead core did its job.

Would a NBT or SST done this? Maybe. An AMAX? I sincerely doubt it.



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Old 02-14-2017, 11:25 AM
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I like'm if...

they're not pushed too fast & don't really care for partitions if they're running too slow.
for deer: .308 ballistic tips--- good
7mm rem mag partitions--- really good

most all of my current deer ammo is made by Hornady.
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Old 02-14-2017, 11:34 AM
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I shoot 150 grain Ballistic Tips in a 7mm Rem Mag, 125 grain Ballistic Tips in a 308 and 100 grain Ballistic Tip in 25-06.

The 308 is loaded down to a youth load and works exceptionally well. The 7 mag is not loaded super hot and work exceptionally well. The 25-06 is loaded on the hot end and I have had penetration issues on close shots so I switched to a Hornady Interlock. Problem solved.

The Ballistic Tips of today have thicker jackets that those of the early years. I have not noticed excessive meat damage in the 7mm Rem Mag or the 308 loads. The 25-06 didn't have excessive meat damage, they just stopped on the other side just under the hide.

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We have had excellent results with both the 150gr/.270 and 120gr/6.5CM Ballistic Tips. It seems if they are pushed hard or light for caliber the results CAN be unpredictable.
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Old 02-14-2017, 12:51 PM
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I have a 1000 box of 55 grn .224 plastic tips sitting on the bench ,i hope they are good .
I baught them cause they were cheap and i figured something will like them , then i found 1200 55grn .224 vmax for a fair bit less and i no they are good ,so that stoped em from being cheap
Now i just hope they are good.
I tried some 55grn silver tips a while ago thinking more penatration , more versatility but they seamed to be more destructive and less accurate.
Just thaught i would chuck that in because everyone else was talking about deer and the op didn't mention any specific critters.
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I'm in the "Too destructive" camp. They work, no doubt about it. I just don't like digging jello out of meat.
I'm a Hot-Cor guy for big game.
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Ballistic tips were first introduced as a varmint bullet and they ARE in the weights and calibers I load. I would never think of using one for big game.
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Old 02-14-2017, 02:55 PM
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I shoot ballistic tips in 243, 270, 30-06 and 7 mm magnum for deer and have had great success. No issues for me.
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Old 02-14-2017, 02:57 PM
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I've killed perhaps 50 deer with ballistic tips. They tend to shed their jacket soon after going into the chest cavity. The lead does separate and causes some impressive wound channels. On a side note, I've never had a deer report me to the ethics police. I do like the idea of dumping all the bullet's energy into the animal and not in the ground on the far side. Saying that, I don't shoot animals up the butt so penetration is not an issue. My advice is to shoot what your gun shoots accurately and what you have confidence in.

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Old 02-14-2017, 04:35 PM
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Ethics police...well put. My goal is to put the animal down as quickly as possible every time and ballistics do that quite well for me.
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Old 02-14-2017, 04:42 PM
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I'm with Boonerman. My best friend and I are around 30 for 30 on deer with Nosler BTs. 165 grain ones loaded in .30-06 to moderate velocities (2700 to 2800 FPS). Nothing else shot as accurately in our guns and performance was always superb.

I read about a lot of folks on here saying it's common for deer to run 80 to 100 yards when properly shot with a rifle through the chest cavity and I always say to myself..."hmmm, all those deer I ever shot with a 165 Nosler Ballistic Tip dropped within a few feet, save one that went about 75 yards due to poor shot placement." It makes me think a lot of folks are using too much bullet. I am a bowhunter and I shoot through the lungs. Evidently deer can't run away when a 165 Nosler BT turns them to jelly mush, and I don't eat lungs, so no issues there. And I have shot deer head on, plus rear and front quartering with this bullet and had no issues. Just anchors them, period. I have also used a lot of Hornady bullets over the years, plus a few Speer and Rem Core Locts. Those do not shoot as well in my guns as the Nolser BTs (with the Hornady SST being an exception in my .308 - it's nails). Nosler BTs are just like Sierra hunting bullets to me, supremely accurate, and when you chose the right weight for the caliber and velocity, they work perfect.

Now, as with any non bonded bullet, if you took a 150 grain BT and wound it up to 3100 FPS in a .300 Mag, you'll probably get a mess. Similarly, I killed a real nice buck about 10 years ago with a 7mm WSM and Federal's standard Speer cup and core 150 grain SP and it made an embarrassing volley ball size exit wound. Fired the rest of that box at the range for brass and never loaded cup and core in that magnum again for hunting.
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Nosler BTs

Great bullets that are very affordable. Just as with the other bullets available, a knowledgeable shooter must appreciate what they can and can't do.
I've killed about 50 deer and hogs with 7mm and 30 cal BTs. Don't take shots that need lots of penetration, such as the famous Texas heart shot. Shoot broadside through the lungs and the animal will go down. Great blood trail when exiting. Sledgehammer kills when they don't. As has been said, I didn't eat lungs either.
Killed many deer with the older, thinner jacket models. No problem if shots are picked appropriately. Newer ones are better with heavier jackets. I personally love the 180 gr BTs out of my '06 as I push them 2700 fps and the penetration is excellent. Accuracy is unsurpassed except for one load with Accubond.
Not everyone can afford nor does everyone need the premium bullet. Thank you Nosler for putting a great bullet in everyone's hands!
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