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Old 05-11-2017, 12:06 PM
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Just wanted to see how the six (five really) type of ammo I keep around shot out of my new/old Marlin 80DL bolt action. Didn't take a great deal of time with it but though you might like to see.

See the attached image of the target. It was 30 yards. I was shooting form a rest with a $20 4x scope. The rifle had been sighted in on the CCI Mini-Mag RP (top left) but I like to shoot Velocitor (top right) for the vermin around here. I had Remington Subsonic (center) and CCI Quiet (bottom left) around, but my semi-auto .22 will not cycle them reliably. With the bolt action, I can use them more. I was AMAZED how quiet the Quiet is! Much less noise than the Remington. The HP version of the Mini Mag (bottom right) has been my alternate to Velocitor. I had a few of the dreaded (to me) Aquila SSS around and the cut out target on the left is those. While they shot well, the bore fouling was intense and all sorts of crappola was in the bore after shooting just five. And I checked; the bore was clean after shooting all the others. When I clean the rifle tonite I will see if I can recover some of the aforementioned crappola to see if it's unburned powered or what. I will never shoot that junk again. I took the bullets out of 100 rounds of that to melt down for new but I had missed about 12 rounds so I let the old Marlin take five for the team.

Anyway, it was interesting to see how they all printed at the same range. Not sure what happened with the Mini Mag HP on the lower right. Me probably. I didn't notice it right away and when I did, I had already soiled the bore with the SSS.

Anyway, a FWIW.

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Old 05-13-2017, 05:43 AM
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What's CCI Mini Mag RP?
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Old 05-13-2017, 07:06 AM
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A typo. Should be "RN" for round nose. Just the regular-old 40 gn. non-HP
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Old 05-13-2017, 07:24 AM
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A while back I did the same sort of test using my "on hand" 22lr ammo and the venerable Nylon 11. didn't have any actual CCI's but did test Winchester's XpertHV, Federal HiPower HP's, Remigton's "Viper" some Blazer (CCI ?) 40 grain RN's. The Winchesters may have shot a bit better, but I didn't get out my calipers to actually measure groups.

Great info and shooting Onepopper! Good to see the old Marlin still shooting well.

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Old 05-13-2017, 07:47 AM
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A while back I did the same sort of test using my "on hand" 22lr ammo and the venerable Nylon 11. didn't have any actual CCI's but did test Winchester's XpertHV, Federal HiPower HP's, Remigton's "Viper" some Blazer (CCI ?) 40 grain RN's. The Winchesters may have shot a bit better, but I didn't get out my calipers to actually measure groups.

Great info and shooting Onepopper! Good to see the old Marlin still shooting well.

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RJ, your previous post is what inspired me. Plus, I kinda wanted to know where the rifle would print using the various ammo.
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Old 05-13-2017, 07:54 AM
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RJ, your previous post is what inspired me.
Ah, shucks

I like to get the old gal out and dust off her scope lenses for a bit of paper punching. She doesn't see much varmint action anymore as her Buschnell Banner 4X scope is getting a bit blurry. I'ts not my eyes I know that . . . . . . OK maybe a little.

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I'm amazed the 60 gr. SSS did that well at that range!
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I'm amazed the 60 gr. SSS did that well at that range!
I'm amazed I was stupid enough to blow that nasty stuff down the tube of any firearm I own. Still, it did reasonably well on the target but the bore of the rifle looked like a half-collapsed mineshaft afterwards. It was all unburned power or something like it.
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Old 05-13-2017, 01:39 PM
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I'm convinced Aquilla uses litter box lumps for powder, but the 60grSSS is the KILLINGEST 22 RF bullet you'll ever see. Penetration is 100% of coon, skunk or porcupine.
I've got a M61 Winchester that hasn't shot anything but 60SSS in the last 22 years, but it doesn't group any where NEAR that good at 30yards!
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Old 05-13-2017, 02:40 PM
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I'm convinced Aquilla uses litter box lumps for powder, but the 60grSSS is the KILLINGEST 22 RF bullet you'll ever see. Penetration is 100% of coon, skunk or porcupine.
I've got a M61 Winchester that hasn't shot anything but 60SSS in the last 22 years, but it doesn't group any where NEAR that good at 30yards!

Well since it isn't me, and it isn't the the ammo, it must be the 1960 Marlin 80DL.

When I got it a few years ago, I shot it out of a .22 revolver... and that was a disaster. Then I tried it out of a Marlin 60. It grouped OK but wouldn't cycle it... and it left the "kitty litter" (good description, by the way!). I had several boxes that I pulled the bullets and put into my lead bucket. Had a few left I had forgotten about.

That was the last time. Nothing is worth that much cleanup nor the stench of the burning cat litter.
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RE the CCI Quiet-

Had a mag loaded up with it so when a medium sized groundhog appeared to maraud the garden, I grabbed it. I had never used them to shoot any critters but I like how nice and quiet they are, so I thought, "Why not?" Disappointing results.

I fired at about 40 yards. Hit him with the first shot and he jumped and started nipping at the spot where I hit. Then he just stood there trying to figure out what had happened. I shot him again. He jumped and did a couple more nipping circles, moved about six feet and stopped. I shot him again. He jumped and started running. Fired once more but probably missed. Found a few tiny blood drops is all. I'm not sure where I hit him on the first shot, though I know where I was aiming. Judging by where he was nipping at himself, the second shot was in the center of the body somewhere. The third hit was at an odd angle and I don't know for sure.

No matter what, three of those low velocity, 40gn RN did not put him down and now I feel rotten. Tried to track him in the woods but with all the brush, it was soon clear that was hopeless. Don't like groundhogs much but don't want them to suffer either, which he probably did... or still is. Little buggers are tough, so I might see him again.

Bottom line... the CCI Quiet should be OK for bird or squirrel sized varmints, but don't expect them to drop a larger critter unless you make a perfect hit in the vitals. Learned my lesson. It will be Velocitors on groundhogs from now on.

PS- Oh and I paid my penance on this. Now I have a raging case of poison ivy! I was so obsessed trying to track the wounded groundhog that I brushed right thru the ivy without noticing. Just lovely!
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Old 05-17-2017, 11:54 AM
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Most rifles have its ammo preferences. My 3, 22RF prefer Winchester Power point for accuracy and on small varmints accuracy is important. Stingers only shoot well in one of the 3 rifles so I only use power points. Remington gives mixed results. Nothing else so far including several expensive target brands shoot any better than power point in my guns. I won't mess with success.
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Old 05-18-2017, 12:20 PM
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Just wanted to see how the six (five really) type of ammo I keep around shot out of my new/old Marlin 80DL bolt action. Didn't take a great deal of time with it but though you might like to see.

See the attached image of the target. It was 30 yards. I was shooting form a rest with a $20 4x scope. The rifle had been sighted in on the CCI Mini-Mag RP (top left) but I like to shoot Velocitor (top right) for the vermin around here. I had Remington Subsonic (center) and CCI Quiet (bottom left) around, but my semi-auto .22 will not cycle them reliably. With the bolt action, I can use them more. I was AMAZED how quiet the Quiet is! Much less noise than the Remington. The HP version of the Mini Mag (bottom right) has been my alternate to Velocitor. I had a few of the dreaded (to me) Aquila SSS around and the cut out target on the left is those. While they shot well, the bore fouling was intense and all sorts of crappola was in the bore after shooting just five. And I checked; the bore was clean after shooting all the others. When I clean the rifle tonite I will see if I can recover some of the aforementioned crappola to see if it's unburned powered or what. I will never shoot that junk again. I took the bullets out of 100 rounds of that to melt down for new but I had missed about 12 rounds so I let the old Marlin take five for the team.

Anyway, it was interesting to see how they all printed at the same range. Not sure what happened with the Mini Mag HP on the lower right. Me probably. I didn't notice it right away and when I did, I had already soiled the bore with the SSS.

Anyway, a FWIW.

Looks like minute of rat.Good enough for me. Thanks
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Old 05-18-2017, 02:05 PM
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Singlepopper; I Have dropped many ground hogs instantly with a 22 rim fire but not with body shots no matter how well placed. When I was a teenager a local horse rancher bought a neighboring farm thick with ground hogs and he paid me $1.00 for each one I killed. That was more than the price of a box of ammo in the mid 1960's. I had to bring him the tails to get paid. I had a bolt action Cooey with a cheap Tasco 4x scope and it worked great with Imperial HP. Head shots kill instantly with hollow point 22 Rim fire. The only body shot I ever took on a ground hog with that 22 was a good hit but it still got down it's hole too far for me to reach. I never took another body shot on ground hogs with a 22 but practiced my stalking and shooting skills to make good head shots. That was the only way I was going to get paid. I rarely shot off hand. Always found some way to rest the rifle. I took 113 ground hogs that summer between that ranch and a few other farms and the only one I lost was the body shot one that died quickly but not before it got part way down it's hole and just out of my reach. The 22 is kills a lot of animals with in its limitations. Knowing it's limits is very important.
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Singlepopper; I Have dropped many ground hogs instantly with a 22 rim fire but not with body shots no matter how well placed. When I was a teenager a local horse rancher bought a neighboring farm thick with ground hogs and he paid me $1.00 for each one I killed. That was more than the price of a box of ammo in the mid 1960's. I had to bring him the tails to get paid. I had a bolt action Cooey with a cheap Tasco 4x scope and it worked great with Imperial HP. Head shots kill instantly with hollow point 22 Rim fire. The only body shot I ever took on a ground hog with that 22 was a good hit but it still got down it's hole too far for me to reach. I never took another body shot on ground hogs with a 22 but practiced my stalking and shooting skills to make good head shots. That was the only way I was going to get paid. I rarely shot off hand. Always found some way to rest the rifle. I took 113 ground hogs that summer between that ranch and a few other farms and the only one I lost was the body shot one that died quickly but not before it got part way down it's hole and just out of my reach. The 22 is kills a lot of animals with in its limitations. Knowing it's limits is very important.
Great story!

He hasn't come back, so I suspect he is either dead or wishing he was.

I got two mags loaded with Velocitor now so that won't be an issue is one comes close. For far away, I use a .223 but I try to use the .22LR because I have a lot of gun-shy pets and people near the house.
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I appreciate that he went to a lot of trouble to find the wounded ground hog.
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There's no frame of reference in the pictures, but I've got to say that I would NOT be happy with any of those groups, at 30 yards...not even with a cheap 4x scope. Too many fliers and the group sizes, themselves, just aren't small enough. Each group has more vertical dispersion than I could tolerate, at that distance. If these were 100 yard groups with a centerfire rifle, I'd ask what kind of rest and hold you were using, but I wouldn't be happy with them as a 30-yard rimfire group, unless it was off-hand.

I don't mean to offend, just expressing my thoughts on the matter. I'd keep looking for a better ammo, or maybe a better scope?
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I would guess it's the scope, parallax out the wazoo. If your that tight get this air rifle scope. I know it says it's for an airgun but there perfect for close range 22 work with the adjustable objective.

https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Hunter-Sc...+air+gun+scope
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There's no frame of reference in the pictures, but I've got to say that I would NOT be happy with any of those groups, at 30 yards...not even with a cheap 4x scope. Too many fliers and the group sizes, themselves, just aren't small enough. Each group has more vertical dispersion than I could tolerate, at that distance. If these were 100 yard groups with a centerfire rifle, I'd ask what kind of rest and hold you were using, but I wouldn't be happy with them as a 30-yard rimfire group, unless it was off-hand.

I don't mean to offend, just expressing my thoughts on the matter. I'd keep looking for a better ammo, or maybe a better scope?
Not bothered at all. I sat down at a picnic table in my backyard, spent 20 minutes and that's what you see. It took longer to post the pic than it did to do the shooting. I mainly wanted to see the difference in how the ammo printed with no special preparation, after sighting in on one. Plus, I'm no Sergeant York.
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