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Old 01-20-2005, 05:38 AM
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I imagine this subject has been hashed and re-hashed, but I have only been here a couple of months, so bear with me.

What sorts of shooting experiences can you tell me about with various makes and models of 17 HMR rifles. I am going to get one, but need to decide. Here are my most likely choices, in order from most likely to least likely:

1) Rem 597 heavy barrel laminated stock. I like the idea of a semiauto with a light caliber like this. Mulitple hits would be easy to make, and might be needed.

2) Winchester 9417. Either traditional or Legacy. There are still some around, but I better be quick if I want one. My .22 of the last 37 years is a Marlin 39A so I am used to a lever action. I believe, however, that a semiauto is a more effective rimfire hunting rifle.

3) Marlin 917V. Good reputation for accuracy. I kind of like Marlin. Wish they made a 17HMR lever gun.

4) NEF. Cheap and supposed to be a good shooter.

5) Savage - any of several models - cheap, but I am not excited about them, cosmetically.

6) Charles Daly Superior. Very nice looking rimfire bolt action. None are in the USA yet, so unknown peformance.

If you have shot any of these, let me know what you think.
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Old 01-20-2005, 11:39 AM
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You didn't list the Ruger 77/17, so let me tell you about it.

A classic bolt gun based on the larger M77 centerfire rifle, the 77/17 is proportionately scaled for the small rimfire cartridge. Has a rotary magazine such as the 10/22 and the 77/22 rifles.

Comes with a set of scope rings to match the integral mounting system on the receiver.

You'll hear a lot about CZ's and Marlins in this chambering. Check out the Ruger before you decide. Think you'll like the feel and balance of this one.

Mine is a M77/22 that was equipped with a .22WMR chambered barrel. Swapped it out for a Green River fluted heavy barrel in the .17HMR chambering. Was sent a kit of barrel shims to obtain correct headspace, but never needed them. The new barrel fit perfectly. Had to rout out the barrel channel to accomodate the larger diameter barrel, However, no big deal.

Have a Burris Compact 3x9 scope mounted. It will shoot MOA, provided the crosswind doesn't exceed 10 MPH.
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Old 01-20-2005, 04:58 PM
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Remington 597 heavy barrel, lam. stock picked one up last year for my wife and I was very pleased with it and my wife really likes it.So far she has taken 2 chicken eating foo's out of service with it. One at about 40 yards the other at about 110 yds. one shoot one kill as it should be.

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Old 01-21-2005, 09:52 AM
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Remington 597 heavy barrel, lam. stock picked one up last year for my wife and I was very pleased with it and my wife really likes it.So far she has taken 2 chicken eating foo's out of service with it. One at about 40 yards the other at about 110 yds. one shoot one kill as it should be.

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Does it shoot pretty tight groups? Or have you tried it on paper targets?
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Old 01-21-2005, 02:00 PM
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I have the NEF Handi, 22" heavy barrel & laminated stock. It's short, easy to carry and use, and is a real tack-driver. For $130 and a $30 3-9x40 Tasco scope, it'll outshoot just about anything if I do my part.
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Old 01-22-2005, 11:12 AM
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The 597 remington in 17 HMR I got my wife shoots very well
1/2 inch. at 50 yds and about 1 to 1 1/4 inchs at 100 yds.

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Old 01-22-2005, 07:31 PM
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I have the NEF Handi, 22" heavy barrel & laminated stock. It's short, easy to carry and use, and is a real tack-driver. For $130 and a $30 3-9x40 Tasco scope, it'll outshoot just about anything if I do my part.
I like NEF products. I have a 28" 12 ga and a .410 Pardner Youth, but have never tried an NEF Sportster or Handi-Rifle. They have one at the local Big R (same outfit as Rural King, I think) It seems like a solid little gun. They certainly seem to be a good value, too, but I am not sure I want a single shot. It's nice to have a quick follow-up shot available with such a light caliber.

My brother just got a Winchester 9417 yesterday. I sure like the looks of it. It is a nice, quick handling rifle. For $400, it should be! Hasn't shot it yet.

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Old 01-25-2005, 01:08 PM
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I Have My Friends .17 So I Could Mount A Scope On It And Shoot It In At 100 For His Sweet 17 Scope. Well It Is A Savage Bolt And Of Bags It Groups Very Well. I Have Only Shot The Savage In This Caliber But If I Were Ever Tempted To Buy One I Would Get The Savage.
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I own a Ruger 77/17 Target Grey with a Leopold 3X9 sitting on top. Stock the gun shoots MOA all day long. You don't mention it in your list of considerations, but it really is one of Ruger's best efforts. A really beautiful rifle with a ton of aftermarket stuff if you should want to go that route.
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Just went shooting today. Let me ammend the above. That's "MOA all day long" on days when the wind's not blowing real hard.
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17 Hmr

You missed the best of the lot: CZ 452 American. Check out above.
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CZ model 452 the varmiter 20in heavy barrel. Just got it today.
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I’ll also chime in here. You left out one of, if not the best, out of the box shooters around today the CZ 452 in all its’ flavors. Mostly the American and Style for the ease of mounting the scope. The cost of these guns is steadily going up from what they were originally offered for. I got my Style in .22lr for the surprising sum of $149.00 off the same rack where my local shops keeps the SKSs’. My .17HMR is a Savage 93 that I picked up for $179.00(same shop as the CZ). Both of these guns are sub-MOA guns but I did have to do some low money tweaking on both. I put an Eric Brooks trigger kit in the CZ (<$15) and a Rifle Basix trigger “fix” (<$80) in the Savage. As was said by a poster about the wind plays hob with those itty, bitty, .17 caliber bullets but when that wind stops it really shines. I have my longest kill on a squirrel to date with the Savage, a head shot at a laser ranged 117 yards. Squirrel hunting is my al time favorite kind of hunting and that Savage 93 has become my “go to” squirrel gun picked over the CZ .22lr and a super ticked out 10/22.
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17 HMR which gun?

I love the 17. I shoot two. A Henry for the extremely accurate longer shot, and a Ruger single six for plinking at rodents in the back yard.
The Henry has a Barska 3-9x42. It's deadly out to 100 yds. I can take the head off a squirrel at 80 yds every time. I never shoot it longer than that. It's not meant to be a real long gun. The bullet is just too light. I don't consider all this talk about 200 and 300 yd shots with the 17 HMR realistic.
The Ruger pistol has been fitted with fluorescent open sights. The standard black sights just didn't work for me. My old eyes are just too bad. I tried a scope on the pistol and it shot great but was ugly, couldn't use the holster, and it didn't feel comfortable.
Every 17 HMR will work best with a specific type of bullet. Try them all and find what works best in your specific gun. For the Henry I get the best results with the Hornady V-Max 17 gr. In the pistol I found the CCI 20 gr Gamepoint to give the tightest groups. Still, I always find unburned powder when I eject the bullets from the pistol.
With the pistol every little thing makes a difference. How you rest it, how you hold it, size and type of ammo. I think using the slightly heavier bullet and slower FPS helped to keep the bullet in contact with the riflings a tiny bit longer and helped with accuracy. I also found it to be most accurate if I hold the pistol in my hands and rest my elbows rather than resting the gun itself when I'm shooting. Like I said, everything made a difference.
Wind is not my friend. This bullet is too light. If there is any wind the guns just stay in the cabinet.
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I had a guest here last week with a new CZ that shot as well as any varmint rifle I own...until the breeze blew and then the groups were the expected horizontal string.
I'd take one CZ over two of anything else.
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I like my CZ 455 Evolution, fantastic. needs only a #144 spring.
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You missed the best of the lot: CZ 452 American. Check out above.
My thoughts exactly, the CZ 452 is all the gun you need and more.
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I have just gone up to a 455 CZ , 16 inch barrel , plastic stock and it is scary accurate. The action is sharp and sweet.
My last shot was a rabbit (head and shoulders) at a known 154yrds. My scope is set on the first dot for 100 and the centre of the reticule prints at 165 give or take how many cups of strength 6 coffee I have had. I perched what I could see of the rabbit between the centre and first dot and the bullet struck it right on the cheek bone. As said, scary accurate. Also the triggers on these new models are much improved ... certainly on mine I have no desire to up grade.
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Savage/Stevens Favorite in 17HMR.
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