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Old 01-07-2017, 10:40 AM
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RJ, before I shot a client's Sendero in 7mm Rem Mag in Colorado I had thought that my 26" Musgrave model Vrystaat ("Free State") was the most accurate rifle available. I think for off the shelf they still are, being smaller than .4 MOA at 100 metres, out the shop and to the range.

That Sendero was a one inch at 300 yards shooter, with its very heavy laminated stock. Without the bipod it had it may meet the 13 lbs weight limit for this discipline. My client Bill from Virginia of course had all the accurising done - but it does say something for the Remington action-barrel concentricity.
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Old 01-07-2017, 11:27 AM
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I watched as Dr. Suess (Ray Suesserman) did the trigger before I brought the "sevumag" home. Later he redid the crown too. It's a no think, kill 'em dead shooter. It'll one hole 150 grain Sierras at one hundred and smoke prairie dogs out past 400. I've never shot it for groups at 300.

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Old 01-07-2017, 08:24 PM
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RJ, if it is not above 13 lbs and if the scope is not more than 14x and if the barrel (measured when registering) is not more than 26" it is good to go. Handloaded ammunition is allowed at the hunting target competitions.

Time some of you guys come for a visit, or when I am back in the US we make a team (me excluded - I'll just write the constitution

RJ - maybe you should have a go at the SA hunting rifle group shooting competition too, with that rifle. Only PMP factory ammunition allowed there, bought when registering. The last winner (21 years old kid) shot .16" three shot group at 110 yards using his .300 Win Mag and 220gr PMP ProAmm ammunition in 100 degrees, windy conditions. Has been 3 x winner in a row now; previously with a 30-06 .18" (220gr), 9.3x62 (286gr) .18", Previous year he was runner up with a .308W .16" (180gr )- and before that winning the juniors for two years with a .308W and .222Rem. Wins a darn expensive hunting rifle each year.

The shooter's yearly club competition average must be .5 MOA or less to qualify for the nationals and normally between 180 to 200 shooters join the finals. Same specifications for the rifles at this shoot as for the hunting competitions. Only one X-type front rest (supplied) allowed. Because all the rifles and calibres are accurate - it is the shooter that is being tested in these competitions.
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Old 01-12-2017, 08:02 PM
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RJ, if it is not above 13 lbs and if the scope is not more than 14x and if the barrel (measured when registering) is not more than 26" it is good to go. Handloaded ammunition is allowed at the hunting target competitions.

Time some of you guys come for a visit, or when I am back in the US we make a team (me excluded - I'll just write the constitution

RJ - maybe you should have a go at the SA hunting rifle group shooting competition too, with that rifle. Only PMP factory ammunition allowed there, bought when registering. The last winner (21 years old kid) shot .16" three shot group at 110 yards using his .300 Win Mag and 220gr PMP ProAmm ammunition in 100 degrees, windy conditions. Has been 3 x winner in a row now; previously with a 30-06 .18" (220gr), 9.3x62 (286gr) .18", Previous year he was runner up with a .308W .16" (180gr )- and before that winning the juniors for two years with a .308W and .222Rem. Wins a darn expensive hunting rifle each year.

The shooter's yearly club competition average must be .5 MOA or less to qualify for the nationals and normally between 180 to 200 shooters join the finals. Same specifications for the rifles at this shoot as for the hunting competitions. Only one X-type front rest (supplied) allowed. Because all the rifles and calibres are accurate - it is the shooter that is being tested in these competitions.
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Old 01-12-2017, 10:02 PM
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Hipshot, do you want Recoil Junky with his Sendero or that keen-eyed youngster who is turning the tables on the experts?

I see now that I in fact miss typed incorrectly that he was runner up with .16". The winner did a .18" and the kid was runner up with something close.

With the many shooters qualifying for this group shooting event with a yearly club average of .5MOA minimum the organisers are considering to extend the distance to 150 metres (164 yards).

Although they do not sponsor the shoot PMP clearly uses it to brag a little about the accuracy of their off the shelf hunting ammunition. That of course is old history because in all the Bisley international 100-900 metres competitions only PMP ammunition has been the consensus choice by all competitors, whether the competition was held in England or Canada. (All shooters are required to use exactly the same ammunition, handed out at the range).
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Old 01-13-2017, 05:16 AM
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This looks really interesting! It reminds me of our sporting clays in that you get to practice actual shooting scenarios. A good sized chunk of property is involved so that may be hard to come by in Southern Wisconsin.
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Old 01-13-2017, 05:50 AM
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Yes, Mike - the Hunting Rifle competitions, with six ranges do need a lot of spread out space with a LOT of shooting going on the whole day.

Typically there will be a few ranchers in a few districts (counties) who will sponsor a suitable piece of their property where the six ranges can be laid out for the three-monthly club shoots, or a provincial or national shoot. The nationals are attempted to be held every year at a different venue so that shooters can have new surroundings every year, but typically this is held near a big city in the centre of the country.

Presently it is only South Africa and Namibia where suitable infra-structure exists for the international event.

One can of course set up a scaled down version anywhere you have a 400 yard distance with say two ranges, or even one. I already know of two such places near me in Colorado where I plan to start a small club - also for practise for out of State hunters during the different hunting schedules, or "seasons" as they are called.
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